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I hope its good enough against iranian jets which are the best and have the best avionics and electornic, ofcourse made by iran
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hworta
04-20-2007, 12:00 PM
Well it would be a long time before America sells ther F22 to anyone really. England, Australia, Japan and Israel would be the first to get it though.
Jordan
04-20-2007, 12:26 PM
I agree, the JSF is probably the only plane the U.S. will sell to Israel atm.
England, Australia, Japan and Israel would be the first to get it though
no one will get the F22 but the F35. USA doesnt want to sell the Raptor becasue its too good. im ny opinion, even if USA wants to sell it, no one will buy except israel.
i think that if USA will sell the raptor it will be just to israel.
*titanium*
04-21-2007, 12:51 AM
I agree, the JSF is probably the only plane the U.S. will sell to Israel atm.
The JSF is the F35, it is not out till 2009 and even then Israel will no get it before 2010 because there will be high demand and countries with a high stake in the project will have priority.
A year or so ago the USA got rid of a law against the export of the F22, since then only Japan has been considered for sale. Now Israel is being considered.
Israel is buying over 100 F16's next year to upgrade its remaining F15's
I think Israel will get the F22's the USA said it wants to help Israel keep its military edge over the arabs and this is a way to do it. The F35's main advantage over the F16 seems to be its economics due to lower maintaince costs. The F22 is stealth and has extremly advances electronics and radar, the only problem i see with it is despite having ground strike capabilities it is primarly meant for air superiority. Now I am all for that, but surely ground strikes are much more important seeing as we havent fought against another airforce since 1973. All i can say is that whilst i belive Israel will get the F22 its going to be the F35 that replaces the F16's
i remember bill clinton saying just before finishing his 8 years that he will recommand the sale of f-22 to israel , will hillary get elected ???
Jordan
04-22-2007, 06:24 PM
The JSF is the F35, it is not out till 2009 and even then Israel will no get it before 2010 because there will be high demand and countries with a high stake in the project will have priority.
A year or so ago the USA got rid of a law against the export of the F22, since then only Japan has been considered for sale. Now Israel is being considered.
Israel is buying over 100 F16's next year to upgrade its remaining F15's
I think Israel will get the F22's the USA said it wants to help Israel keep its military edge over the arabs and this is a way to do it. The F35's main advantage over the F16 seems to be its economics due to lower maintaince costs. The F22 is stealth and has extremly advances electronics and radar, the only problem i see with it is despite having ground strike capabilities it is primarly meant for air superiority. Now I am all for that, but surely ground strikes are much more important seeing as we havent fought against another airforce since 1973. All i can say is that whilst i belive Israel will get the F22 its going to be the F35 that replaces the F16's
Well who knows really what the future will hold. It's possible the U.S. may sell f-22's to Israel, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Plus, as you mentioned the f-35 is more suited for Israelis demands for the immediate future. I can't see any Arab countries attacking Israeli anytime soon besides Syria. Iran may attack, but I think Israel is fully capable of taking on Iran with the equipment they have now. The main military threat to Israel atm is the guerilla groups like Hezbollah. The JSF seems to be better and cheaper to fit this role.
On the other hand, the f-22 would make a great deterrent to countries that wish to invade.
Not to mention they look kick ass, but the f-35's do too.
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*titanium*
04-22-2007, 06:30 PM
There are people that say Israel cant take out Irans uranium enrichment stuff, now I cant say for sure that they can, but a lot of these people say that Iran could crush Israel. This is a complete Joke. Is 600,000 troops suposed ot be scary? Iran have no airforce to speak of compared to Israels. In an air war, Irans airforce would be lucky if it could shoot down a single IAF jet before being enhialated. Irans army is a joke in comparision to what people try and say it is. Iran not only cant touch Israel, they cant touch Egypt either. Theres little doubt in my mind that Egypt is the strongest arab army.
Jordan
04-22-2007, 06:35 PM
Yeah, Iran's army is poorly trained and the air force isn't that great. They do have a few pieces of equipment that could spell trouble though. Yeah, Egypt has one of the best armies in the region because we pay for it.
egypt doesn't get 2$ billion a year from the USA ?
Joshua Crick
04-23-2007, 03:30 AM
Even if they aren't trained well, it won't matter. It'll take so long for Israel to get their act together and attack Iran that their forces would have improved dramatically.
shelory
04-23-2007, 07:42 AM
Egypt gets between 750 mill to 1 bill dollars a year from the US
*titanium*
04-23-2007, 08:25 AM
Even if they aren't trained well, it won't matter. It'll take so long for Israel to get their act together and attack Iran that their forces would have improved dramatically.
What is that suposed to mean? Israel is unique for being able to mobalise its reserves quicker than other armies can mobalise their main troops. The small size of the country is a big factor in this but Israel can mobalise extremly quickly.
hworta
04-24-2007, 01:14 AM
i remember bill clinton saying just before finishing his 8 years that he will recommand the sale of f-22 to israel , will hillary get elected ???
Thats just to get votes, democrats are no friend of Israel. Clinton forced the oslo accords and names buildings at wright patterson air force base after arafat.
hworta
04-24-2007, 01:18 AM
egypt doesn't get 2$ billion a year from the USA ?
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/egyptaid.html
Eqypt and Israel get about the same amount of foreign aid from America, namely because eqypt hasa peace treaty with Israel.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/egyptaid.html
Eqypt and Israel get about the same amount of foreign aid from America, namely because eqypt hasa peace treaty with Israel.
you might want to rethink this out,i read that it's america's state dept that decides where the money goes and at present they spend 3 times as much on arab countries such as egypt than they do on israel ,they call it a balance of power!! the state dept seriously hates israel!
hworta
08-03-2007, 01:56 PM
you might want to rethink this out,i read that it's america's state dept that decides where the money goes and at present they spend 3 times as much on arab countries such as egypt than they do on israel ,they call it a balance of power!! the state dept seriously hates israel!
America by far gives Israel more in not just blakent money but also technology sales, equipment, electronics. American private groups also collect money for Israel in various different forms.
We mainly arm some gulf states to keep the crazies like Iran from getting uppity.
navavilogtech
08-08-2007, 12:16 AM
would be a problem, Japan also wants the F-22, so who gets the jet and who doesn't? Anyways, Congress would have to change the existing law to allow this sale to go through, so I wouldn't count on the Raptor going through FMS anytime soon.
Ultra Requete
08-13-2007, 09:26 PM
America by far gives Israel more in not just blakent money but also technology sales, equipment, electronics. American private groups also collect money for Israel in various different forms.
We mainly arm some gulf states to keep the crazies like Iran from getting uppity.
That's true Israel gets 12 bilions of dolla per year; but those money is not free; Israel is paying with blood and land in exchange; Oslo, Roadmap to Piss, Gaza withdrewall, evictions of settlers from Judea and Samria; all this criminal mistakes are the result of US influence too. The only thing that saves Israel so far is G-d coused stupidity of Palis.:rolleyes:
hworta
08-16-2007, 10:42 AM
That's true Israel gets 12 bilions of dolla per year; but those money is not free; Israel is paying with blood and land in exchange; Oslo, Roadmap to Piss, Gaza withdrewall, evictions of settlers from Judea and Samria; all this criminal mistakes are the result of US influence too. The only thing that saves Israel so far is G-d coused stupidity of Palis.:rolleyes:
Yeah, to boot most American's I know disagreed with the land for "peace" deals invented by Clinton. I am voting for Guiliani.
Johnny Appleseed
08-16-2007, 03:52 PM
Yeah, Iran's army is poorly trained and the air force isn't that great. They do have a few pieces of equipment that could spell trouble though. Yeah
The bad new for them is, the US is sitting on two boarders.
with 3 carrier groups on a third
hworta
08-17-2007, 01:35 PM
The bad new for them is, the US is sitting on two boarders.
with 3 carrier groups on a third
there is a British carrier group and a French striker group as well... Iran is fuqed if they get too uppity.
BrittleSteel
08-22-2007, 02:55 AM
The JSF is the F35, it is not out till 2009 and even then Israel will no get it before 2010 because there will be high demand and countries with a high stake in the project will have priority.
A year or so ago the USA got rid of a law against the export of the F22, since then only Japan has been considered for sale. Now Israel is being considered.
Israel is buying over 100 F16's next year to upgrade its remaining F15's
I think Israel will get the F22's the USA said it wants to help Israel keep its military edge over the arabs and this is a way to do it. The F35's main advantage over the F16 seems to be its economics due to lower maintaince costs. The F22 is stealth and has extremly advances electronics and radar, the only problem i see with it is despite having ground strike capabilities it is primarly meant for air superiority. Now I am all for that, but surely ground strikes are much more important seeing as we havent fought against another airforce since 1973. All i can say is that whilst i belive Israel will get the F22 its going to be the F35 that replaces the F16's
I don't think either plan would hurt them in the area of ground striking ability. Israel has shown great innovation in turning fighters into bombers. Once stealth F-22's took out the enemies anti-air umbrella (with the help of ground forces, and tanks of course ;) ) The IAF should quickly achieve air superiority and then F-22/F-35/F-16 doesn't matter, bombs will fall.
General91
08-30-2007, 03:42 AM
America has given ALOT to Israel. alot of ouyr tech to. I read somewere that if you take away the U.S, Israel's military might be the most well trained, best equiped, and have the best tech in the world. Israel is tough and all, so even without the F-22, israel is still better. Also, Iran has the best jets? America and Europe have the best Jets. 1st is F-22, 2nd is Typhoon, 3rd would be the F-35, 4 the Super Hornet, and 5th the Mirage 2000. The su-47 would've been the 2nd best, but only 1 was made, and its a prototype, is not planed for production yet so...
Either way though, as its been proven 4 or 5 times now, wars CANNOT be won by the air force and "shock and awe". That was proven by the U.S and Israely Air Force's. In Iraq, and Afghanistan, and then in Lebanan. In both cases, infantry had to be sent in. So Israel, offcourse, should keep a strong air force, but shouldnt spend in over abundince, and instead should spend even more on the Israely ground forces.
shelory
08-30-2007, 11:55 AM
General91 (http://www.israelmilitary.net/member.php?u=6064) you forgot about Vietnam.
ricsot
08-31-2007, 05:25 PM
I heard the US is phasing out their F 117. Why Israel does not get them for a while? They could be very useful against IRAN.
Goyam
10-06-2007, 08:47 PM
egypt doesn't get 2$ billion a year from the USA ?
My friend they get enough, Abrams tanks, F16's etc, USA has to keep both Israel and Egypt sweet as they are the powerhouses of th middle east, and lets not forget the Camp David Peace accord they both signed up to 25 years ago.
Although they do not trust each other 100% they do have meetings on mutal security issues regarding gaza and the rafah kareem shalom area of the border
even if USA wants to sell it, no one will buy except israel.I think you're right.
The big reason for that would be that they cost a lot of money.
John Howard (current Prime Minister of Australia) and the Liberal party are in favour of spending more on upgrading Australia's military (which has been happening recently)
However I believe the ALP (Australian Labor Party, currently in opposition) want to be less involved in the middle east, and spend less on the military. I don't know if that's changed since Kevin Rudd became leader of the ALP - though I wouldn't be surprised, since he seems to just agree with what John Howard says all the time. He's often called "Me-too Rudd".
There's also the fact that we are getting F-35's anyway, and people would argue that we don't really need F-22's aswell.
Also, Iran has the best jets?I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.
Demoralizer
10-09-2007, 12:20 PM
America has given ALOT to Israel. alot of ouyr tech to. I read somewere that if you take away the U.S, Israel's military might be the most well trained, best equiped, and have the best tech in the world. Israel is tough and all, so even without the F-22, israel is still better. Also, Iran has the best jets? America and Europe have the best Jets. 1st is F-22, 2nd is Typhoon, 3rd would be the F-35, 4 the Super Hornet, and 5th the Mirage 2000. The su-47 would've been the 2nd best, but only 1 was made, and its a prototype, is not planed for production yet so...
I'm interested in your fighter jet ranking system cuz it looks like you wrote their names down and just pulled them out of a hat. You saying 'a is better than b' is too simplistic a mindset when discussing the effectiveness of a weapons platform. I agree with your first and second comments however.
the egyption matrix
10-30-2007, 08:54 PM
First planes f-22 I do not think that the United States of America will give the plane to Israel and either take Egypt assistance from the United States of America For all those who say that the adverse Edlak full well that Israel is getting assistance weaken weaken assumed by Egypt. To know the world in general and Israelis in particular that whatever the United States gave Israel will be disarmed Valtvouk to Egypt and the Arabs Remember what happened in 1973
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