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September 9, 2011

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Modern Shoulder-Fired SAMs Missing in Libya

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Here’s some disconcerting news from Libya that confirms something we’ve all been worrying about for a while now — hundreds of shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles have been looted from Gadhafi’s old military stockpiles.
These aren’t just obsolete 1970-vintage Soviet missiles that barely work anymore. According to CNN, dozens of SA-24 “Grinch” (http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_heavy_weapons_uk/sa-24_grinch_9k338_igla-s_portable_air_defense_missile_system_technical_da ta_sheet_specifications_uk.html#identification) shoulder-fired SAMs have been looted from one base alone. The SA-24 is the latest variant of the Soviet-designed Igla SAM that’s been in production since the early 1980s. (the picture above shows a pro-Gadhafi fighter manning a multiple-launch SA-24 battery.)
There have already been cases of terrorists firing SA-7 Strelas but those missiles aren’t much of a threat against modern infrared countermeasures. Furthermore, many Strelas are quickly nearing the end of their service lives. However, the Grinch, which entered Russian military service in 2004, is designed to defeat modern infrared countermeasures and can shoot down planes flying up to 11,000 feet.
There are roughly 20,000 shoulder-fired SAMs in Libya, according to this CNN piece (http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/07/exclusive-libyan-missiles-looted/?hpt=hp_t2). Most of them are unaccounted for since they are among the first things to be looted from former regime facilities in Libya. This situation could be a bonanza for terrorists and arms dealers.
The next few paragraphs from CNN reporters who discovered the empty missile crates arent very comforting:
Fighters aligned with the National Transitional Council and others swiped armaments from the storage facility, witnesses told Human Rights Watch. The warehouse is located near a base of the Khamis Brigade, a special forces unit in Gadhafi’s military, in the southeastern part of the capital.
The warehouse contains mortars and artillery rounds, but there are empty crates for those items as well. There are also empty boxes for another surface-to-air missile, the SA-7.
Peter Bouckaert, Human Rights Watch emergencies director, told CNN he has seen the same pattern in armories looted elsewhere in Libya, noting that “in every city we arrive, the first thing to disappear are the surface-to-air missiles.”
He said such missiles can fetch many thousands of dollars on the black market.
“We are talking about some 20,000 surface-to-air missiles in all of Libya, and I’ve seen cars packed with them.” he said. “They could turn all of North Africa into a no-fly zon
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IF all of the above is true, this is very bad news indeed, these AA missiles will fall in to the hands of anti-Israel Islamic insurgents, these nutters will have no compunction against using them against civilian aircraft.

The Nato forces should/must be held accountable if these missiles finish up in the hands of Terrorist groups ( Hamas/ Hezbollah/ al-Qada/ Taliban/etc ) and are used against Israel and/or USA/Nato forces.

Nato's/ USA military/Intelligency agencies MUST have known the existance of these AA missile stock piles in Libya, and between them they had the military capabilities to use bombing raids on the missile bunkers, or put troops on the ground ( in co-operation with the rebel forces ) to seize and destroy these deadly missile stockpiles.

These shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles in the hands of Islamic fundamentalist nutters have the potential to turn the Middle East in to a sea of fire.

Israel will have no option whatsoever but to use massive military retaliation if these missiles are used against Israel aircraft.

09-14-2011, 10:39 PM

Wednesday 14 September 2011

Libya: US joins hunt for Col Gaddafi's missing missiles

The United States has joined the hunt for Col Gaddafi's missing supplies of surface-to-air missiles and even chemical weapons amid fears he may have taken them with him on the run, a senior official said on Wednesday.

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By Richard Spencer (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/richard-spencer/), Tripoli

11:08PM BST 14 Sep 2011

Jeffrey Feltman, the US assistant secretary of state and the most senior international visitor to arrive in Tripoli since the fall of Col Gaddafi, said Washington was concerned about the spread of both conventional and non-conventional weapons.
He said he had people working "quietly" with the National Transitional Council particularly on the hunt for surface-to-air missiles, of which more than 15,000 are said to be unaccounted for from Col Gaddafi's weapons dumps, and chemical weapon precursors.
"It's a potential risk not only to Libya but to the region," he said.
The rebel military official in charge of securing Tripoli International Airport told The Daily Telegraph yesterday his men were scouring an area of more than 30 kilometres for missing weapons.
The Libyan authorities and their western backers are nervous about allowing the airport to reopen to scheduled passenger flights until they can be sure there can be no threat from any SAMS still in the area. There is also the fear that they may be sold to terrorist groups who could use them to target civilian planes anywhere.
"The policy of Gaddafi was to scatter these missiles through civilian homes," the commander, Mukhtar al-Akdar, said. "We have great difficulty when we try to collect them as some of the local people are very pro-Gaddafi."
He said he had cleared "70-80 per cent" of the relevant area and found a number of SAMS already.
Col Gaddafi is thought to have fled down the airport road out of Tripoli as his troops were driven out of the city three days after his compound, Bab al-Azizia, fell into rebel hands.
Mr al-Akdar said a last-ditch assault on the airport at the time might have been cover for his exit.
Col Gaddafi and his chief spokesman, Moussa Ibrahim, both sent messages to the world from their hiding places on Wednesday.
"The leader is in good health, in high morale – of course he is in Libya," Mr Ibrahim said. "The fight is as far away from the end as the world can imagine. We are still very powerful, our army is still powerful, we have thousands upon thousands of volunteers."
Col Gaddafi sent a message through his last remaining regular media outlet, a Syrian-based television station, demanding protection for the people of Sirte, his birthplace, which is now under siege from rebel forces.
"If Sirte is isolated from the rest of the world in order for atrocities to be committed against it, then the world has a duty not to be absent and you have to take your international responsibility and intervene immediately to stop this crime," he said in a letter addressed to the United Nations Security Council.