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Intrn'l_relations101
03-30-2008, 01:28 AM
Aviation Industry

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The Islamic revolution resulted in the departure of more than 40,000 American military advisors from Iran. In March 1979 the U.S. government banned any further foreign military sales or transfers to Iran, and by November 1979 the U.S. government officially suspended all licenses for export to that country. Compounding Iran's problems, Iraq invaded in September 1980.
Sanctions forced Iran toward self-sufficiency in operating, maintaining, repairing, and modifying its existing American-built systems. The IRIAF was at the forefront of these efforts, as it had been the military branch most dependent on American assistance.
The IRIAF initially decided to produce aircraft spare parts for its own use. Teams of experts established relationships with local universities and technical schools, and by the final stages of the Iran-Iraq War, the IRIAF's Self-Sufficiency Jihad directorate (formerly the Industrial Research Unit) had set up depot-level maintenance shops in several air bases around the country. These shops were responsible for repairing systems worn out or damaged by the war.
While doing depot-level maintenance and repair, IRIAF experts drew up blueprints for aircraft parts, so that they might be reverse-engineered, using methods very similar to those used by China. A close relationship developed between the military-industrial complexes of the two countries. Many Western systems were shared with Beijing, which in turn helped Iran set up production lines for the local manufacture of these parts.
Today, Iran's aviation industries produce flight avionics and communications gear, two types of engines, airframes, in-flight refueling gear, and flight simulators. In addition, the IRIAF has produced a variety of ordnance, including both "dumb" (unguided) and "smart" (guided) bombs and air-to-air, air-to-ground, and surface-to-air missiles, including the Fatter air-to-air missile (a Sidewinder lookalike), the Sedjil (an air-to-air version of the Hawk surface-to-air missile), the AGM-379/20 Zoobin, the GBU-67/B Qadr, and the Sattar laser-guided air-to-ground missile.
The IRIAF has also begun producing aircraft. Recent examples include the Tazarve jet-trainer and the Saegheh fighter (the latter is based on the F-5E, but has a twin vertical tail configuration to improve takeoff and maneuvering performance). Both aircraft remain in the prototype stage, and Iranian industry still has a ways to go to establish a viable design and production base.
As for the IRGCAF, it has improved its technical base by concentrating most of its capability in a semicorporate entity, the Pars Aviation Services Company, which maintains the IRGCAF's own combat and transport fleet and provides services to local airlines that operate seventeen Tupolev Tu-154 passenger planes. Yet despite significant strides in this area, Iran continues to experience problems maintaining its aging fleet of military and civilian aircraft, a fact that has contributed to a number of major aviation disasters in the past decade.
Current Trends
Iran is the only country in the region that does not receive ongoing support from the original manufacturers of its weapons systems. Until very recently, Russia had not been deeply involved in the maintenance of Iran's Eastern bloc weapon systems. Moreover, as a result of U.S. pressure, Russia has refused to provide Iran with newer combat aircraft beyond those ordered in the late 1980s and early 1990s, though Russia recently agreed to upgrade and modernize the avionics and weapons systems in Iran's existing fleet of MiG-29 and Su-24 aircraft. As far as new purchases are concerned, Iran has largely had to settle for semi-obsolescent designs from China.
Nonetheless, the Iranian air and air defense forces can count on the advantage conferred by strategic depth and a domestic military-industrial capacity, which has enabled Iran to keep aloft an aging aircraft fleet in the face of wars and sanctions. Iran's senior military leaders know that its air forces would not be able to resist an invasion by a major power such as the United States. As a result, Iran has not focused on creating a large military, but rather has emphasized making the most of its existing capabilities by developing the abilities to conduct continuous, day and night operations through the development of night vision equipment; to wage asymmetrical warfare by creating a large popular militia (the Basij) and sea denial capabilities; and to strike even its most distant enemies by acquiring reconnaissance satellites, high altitude reconnaissance and strike UAVs, and short- and medium-range ballistic missile systems.

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Air Force


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/iiaf.gifThe shah's air force had more than 450 modern combat aircraft, including top-of-the-line F-14 Tomcat fighters and about 5,000 well-trained pilots. By 1979 the air force, numbering close to 100,000 personnel, was by far the most advanced of the three services and among the most impressive air forces in the developing world. Reliable information on the air force after the Revolution was difficult to obtain, but it seems that by 1987 a fairly large number of aircraft had been cannibalized for spare parts.
A total of 14 air bases are currently operational: Ahvaz, Bandar Abbas, Bushehr, Chan Bahar, Dezful, Doshan Tapeh (Tehran), Ghaleh Morghi (Tehran), Hamadan, Isfahan, Mashhad, Mehrabad (Tehran), Shiraz, Tabriz and Zahedan. Soviet-made aircraft are distributed throughout the country to fufill mission roles of ground attack, transport, training and interception. Bandar Abbas, Bushehr, Dezful, Hamadan, Tabriz and Mehrabad are the centers for ground attack squadrons. Shiraz is the home of the interceptor squadron. It also provides training along with, Mehrabad, Doshan Tapeh and Isfahan. Shiraz also houses the transport squadron.
Before the Revolution, the air force was organized into fifteen squadrons with fighter and fighter-bomber capabilities and one reconnaissance squadron. In addition, one tanker squadron, and four medium and one light transport squadron provided impressive logistical backup. By 1986 desertions and depletions led to a reorganization of the air force into eight squadrons with fighter and fighter-bomber capabilities and one reconnaissance squadron. This reduced force was supported by two joint tanker-transport squadrons and five light transport squadrons. Some seventy-six helicopters and five surface-to-air missile (SAM) squadrons supplemented this capability.
Air force headquarters was located at Doshan Tapeh Air Base, near Tehran. Iran's largest air base, Mehrabad, outside Tehran, was also the country's major civil airport. Other major operational air bases were at Tabriz, Bandar-e Abbas, Hamadan (Shahroki Air Base), Dezful (Vahdati Air Base), Shiraz, and Bushehr. Since 1980 air bases at Ahvaz, Esfahan (Khatami Air Base), and Bandar Beheshti have also become operational.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/f-5-image50-s.jpg (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/f-5-image50.jpg)Throughout the 1970s, Iran purchased sophisticated aircraft for the air force. The acquisition of 77 F-14A Tomcat fighters added to 166 F-5 fighters and 190 F-4 Phantom fighter-bombers, gave Iran a strong defensive and a potential offensive capability. Before the end of his reign, the shah placed orders for F-16 fighters and even contemplated the sharing of development costs for the United States Navy's new F-18 fighter. Both of these combat aircraft have been dropped from the revolutionary regime's military acquisitions list, however.
From its inception, the air force also assumed responsibility for air defense. The existing early warning systems, built in the 1950s under the auspices of CENTO, were upgraded in the 1970s with a modern air defense radar network. To complement the ground radar component and provide a blanket coverage of the Gulf region, the United States agreed to sell Iran seven Boeing 707 airborne warning and control system (AWACS) aircraft in late 1977. Because of the Revolution, Washington canceled the AWACS sale, claiming that this sensitive equipment might be compromised. Finally, the air force's three SAM battalions and eight improved Hawk battalions were reorganized in the mid-1980s (in a project involving more than 1,800 missiles) into five squadrons that also contained Rapiers and Tigercats. Washington's sale of Hawk spare parts and missiles in 1985 and 1986 may have enhanced this capability.
The air force's primary maintenance facility was located at Mehrabad Air Base. The nearby Iran Aircraft Industries, in addition to providing main overhaul backup for the maintenance unit, has been active in manufacturing spare parts.
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When the Iran-Iraq War started in 1980, Iran's F-14s, equipped with Phoenix missiles, capable of identifying and destroying six targets simultaneously from a range of eighty kilometers or more, inflicted heavy casualties on the Iraqi air force, which was forced to disperse its aircraft to Jordan and Oman. The capability of the F-14s and F-4s was enhanced by the earlier acquisition of a squadron of Boeing 707 tankers, thereby extending their combat radius to 2,500 kilometers with in-flight refueling.
Iranian F-14 Tomcats were used like miniature AWACS, reporting Iraqi fighter operations to Iranian air defense commanders with their powerful radars. In response, Iraqi Mirage F1-EQ fighters flew high-speed, low-altitude profiles, well below the Tomcat's radar limits. The F1-EQ would pop up directly beneath the Tomcat's orbit, briefly illuminate the F-14 with its radar, and fire one or two air-to-air missiles at it. Iran lost several Tomcats this way.
Iran began the war with Hawk surface-to-air missile defenses, though these were largely for the defense of fixed military facilities. Iran's doctrine emphasized air defense using aircraft like the F-14A. Iran failed to use its Hawks effectively during the war, failing even to mount an effective point defense of key oil facilities. This may have been affected by the disruption following the Shah's fall. There were only a few confirmed Iranian Hawk kills of Iraqi aircraft.
By 1987, however, the air force faced an acute shortage of spare parts and replacement equipment. Perhaps 35 of the 190 Phantoms were serviceable in 1986. One F-4 had been shot down by Saudi F-15s, and two pilots had defected to Iraq with their F-4s in 1984. The number of F-5s dwindled from 166 to perhaps 45, and the F-14 Tomcats from 77 to perhaps 10. The latter were hardest hit because maintenance posed special difficulties after the United States embargo on military sales.
China and North Korea with their "independent" policies on arms sales, were the only countries willing to sell Iran combat airplanes. Iran had acquired two Chinese-made Shenyang J-6 trainers in 1986. Unconfirmed reports in 1987 indicated that Iran was receiving Shenyang F-6s (Chinese-built MiG-19SFs), and that Iranian pilots were receiving training in North Korea. The reconnaissance squadron has also struggled to perform its duties with limited equipment. Once flying close to thirty-four aircraft, by late 1987 it may have been reduced to eight, having converted five Tomcats to serve in a noncombat role. It was not clear whether these five airplanes were in addition to the ten in the interceptor squadrons. Given the technical sophistication of reconnaissance aircraft, it was almost impossible to acquire from non-Western sources new ones capable of performing to Iranian standards. The only substantial acquisition was the purchase of forty-six Pilatus PC-7s from Switzerland. Iran requested three Kawasaki C-1 transports and a 3D air defense radar system from Japan, but this transaction did not appear to have materialized by 1987. Reports also indicated that Iran had placed with Argentina an order for thirty Hughes 500D helicopters.
Around FY91, with the onset of Desert Storm, more than 350 advanced aircraft were bought or made operational including, Russian MiG-27s, -29s, -31s, TU-22M3 Backfires, Russian Su24s, -25s, -27s, IL-76 transports, and French Mirage F-1s. In this period close to $2 billion was spent on foreign weapons systems.
At least 115 combat aircraft flew to Iran, out of the total of 137-149 aircraft flown to Iran or crashed enroute [including 15 Il-76s and some number of civilian airliners]. According to an official Iraqi statement, the aircraft included 115 combat aircraft, among them 24 Mirage F1s, 4 Su-20 Fitters, 40 Su-22 Fitters, 24 Su-24 Fencers, seven Su-25 Frogfoots, nine MiG-23 Floggers, and four MiG-29 Fulcrums. Reports that Saddam Hussein ordered 20 Tu-22 bombers to Iran appear unfounded. In 1993 it was reported that Russia was to provide Iran with spare parts, armaments, and operating manuals for the Iraqi jets that flew to Iran during the Gulf War. In 1993 it was reported that China had bought an unknown number of these MiG-29s from Iran, in exchange for Chinese missile technology and a nuclear power station. The two countries had reportedly reached agreement on the exchange in late 1992, with Iran having delivered some of the MiG-29s by the end of 1992. In 1998 Iraq and Iran had high-level meetings to discuss ending their state of war and other matters, including Iraq's request to have its airplanes back. Iran denied it had used any of the Iraqi fighter planes. If Iran had kept the Iraqi planes grounded for the entire time, they are probably nonfunctional -- the Iranians may not be able to start the engines or operate the hydraulics. Other reports suggest that some Su-24s have been added to Iran's existing inventory, some Su-20/22s were in Revolutionary Guard service. The Iraqi Su-25s, MiG-23s and Mirage F1s were thought by some to be not in service, due to age, low capability (MiG-23s) or too few numbers (Su-25). Other reports suggest that Iran had overhauled Iraq's fleet of 24 Mirage F-1B fighters and placed them into service.
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An unknown number of "new" Su-25s were delivered to the Iranian Revolution Guards Corps Air Force (IRGCAF) in 2003. Where these Frogfoots originate from is unclear.
In July 2003 Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Corporation (CAIC) unveiled the new ‘Super-7’ or Chao Qi fighter plane to the public. The new Super-7 is “an all-purpose light fighter, required to have all-weather operation capabilities, be capable of performing the dual tasks of dogfight and air-to-ground attack, and have the ability to launch medium-range missiles. Mass production of the fighter will not begin until two and a half years of research are completed. The plane is being produced to be sold abroad to developing nations. China already has received orders from Iran and some African countries.
There have been reports of some 10 F-8Ms "Finback", 7 Tu-22Ms, 19 MIG-27s, and several MIG-31s (Russia's most modern fighter aircraft, US$40 million) being present in Iran, but these are not confirmed. On 30 July 2007 the Jerusalem Post reported that Iran was negotiating with Russia to buy 250 Sukhoi Su-30 “Flanker” fighter-bombers. Israeli defense officials were investigating the potential Iran-Russia deal, in which Iran would pay $1 billion a dozen squadrons’ worth of the jets. Iran would also buy 20 Ilyushin Il-78 Midas tankers that could extend the fighters’ range as part of the deal. The move was seen as a response to the new American plans to sell billions of dollars’ worth of weapons to potential Iranian adversaries in the Middle East - Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Israel. This report came soon after other deals to sell advanced Su-27 and Su-30 combat fighters to Indonesia, Malaysia and Venezuela.


Aircraft Inventory

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Tac Dog
03-30-2008, 06:48 PM
Speaking of a sorry ass air force!!

Jester
03-30-2008, 09:26 PM
Thanks for the post....lots of nice pics.

I have to admitt the Saegheh fighter (Twin-tailed F-5E) is interesting, BUT, it is still basicly a F-5E and not going to be able to mix it up with the superior technology of the Wests F-16, F-15 & F-18's, etc.

Also interesting how the Iraqis beat the Iranians use of the early F-14A's radar with the low flying Mirages. Another sign of proof that a superior fighter isn't worth squat unless it is matched with pilot training of the caliber.

IMHO, even with the addition of Russion blood (ex-Iraq AF) and new sales the Iranian AF in a major fight with either Israel or the US isn't going to fare very well. They might have a few odd sucesses but on the whole they will be blasted out of the sky right and left.

<S>! :usa2:

joejd12
03-30-2008, 09:34 PM
Thanks for the post....lots of nice pics.

They might have a few odd sucesses but on the whole they will be blasted out of the sky right and left.

<S>! :usa2:

would they even bother to launch their aircrafts? they know that any air clashes with israel or the us would simply demolish their air force and crush their countrys moral while lifting the others, wouldnt they jsut rely on their huge network of sams? its not like they cant let fighters get anywhere near their borders.....

Intrn'l_relations101
03-31-2008, 02:09 AM
the entire purpose was a defenssive limited one since in the it is mentioned that "US" is too strong for any country especially when it comes to air confrontation.

Iran is developing and in fact "improvising" many of its airplanes in order to make them more up to date and more advanced.

Iran in the second half of its war with Iraq scored high success rates that led to iraqui withdrawal and almost iranian occupation. I do not expect this to com out in popular media frequently. I found those in some military accounts on airforce history in modern period.

Iran is currently one of the most self sufficient and infact advanced amongst "developing" and "Semi-developed" countries in aircraft design etc.

Intrn'l_relations101
03-31-2008, 02:11 AM
Speaking of a sorry ass air force!!

It remains to be seen...

Jester
03-31-2008, 02:50 AM
Iran is currently one of the most self sufficient and infact advanced amongst "developing" and "Semi-developed" countries in aircraft design etc.

That maybe so, BUT, unless they are facing another country of the same or lesser ability - they quickly are going to become Scrap Iron. :wink:

Secondly, at the time of the Iraq/Iran War - most of the IRIAF was still relatively intact and new with no problems of spare parts or weaponry. As of this date most of their US Types are way outdated even with updates and re-engineering of spare parts for them. The Russian equipment they have while newer is moving into the same condition.

Basicly, the only real choice the IRIAF is going to have in a standard fight is if they want their planes destroyed on the air or on the ground. Only real chance they may have is to switch to "Kamakaze" type tactics in the hopes a few lucky strikes might influance public opinion some how.

Intrn'l_relations101
03-31-2008, 03:25 AM
That maybe so, BUT, unless they are facing another country of the same or lesser ability - they quickly are going to become Scrap Iron. :wink:

Secondly, at the time of the Iraq/Iran War - most of the IRIAF was still relatively intact and new with no problems of spare parts or weaponry. As of this date most of their US Types are way outdated even with updates and re-engineering of spare parts for them. The Russian equipment they have while newer is moving into the same condition.

Basicly, the only real choice the IRIAF is going to have in a standard fight is if they want their planes destroyed on the air or on the ground. Only real chance they may have is to switch to "Kamakaze" type tactics in the hopes a few lucky strikes might influance public opinion some how.


You must understnad their main function is not to eliminate US threat but but to moderate it or atleast make sure there is a level of defence in the air-military confrontation.

They are planning to purchase another group of MIG and advanced Russian arms and plus venezuela and others countries might hand them some f-16 arplanes. the thing is Iran might not always be that hostile to The US and things might change in the middle term depending on how next administartions in iran and US deal with it.

Based on my info Iran is more focusing on pilot training and "space" avionautics that might boost its image after the new airospace stations were constructed in iran and new satellites launched.

I dont see a reason for Iran to worry that much since war is on the rhetorical level at this point. Rrussia is also playing the same game. Amongst emerging powers or regional powers almost all focus on soft power and beter relations. Iran and Russia still bank on their petro-power but that will not be the game of town forever as market dynamics shift.

haamimhagolan
03-31-2008, 12:47 PM
Iran is currently one of the most self sufficient and infact advanced amongst "developing" and "Semi-developed" countries in aircraft design etc.

Advanced? Compared to what? Modifying an F-5 airframe and calling it by a new name is not the same as developing an all-new jet fighter - something that requires an industrial base that Iran just doesn't have.

The real problem that the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) faces, is its own government. Iran today is one of the last remaining, totalitarian regimes left in the post-Cold War world. Iran's government insists that it control not only all commerce and the flow of wealth throughout the Iranian society - but the thoughts of the Iranian people as well. As such, anyone who might have had real knowledge of how a modern, western air force operates - anyone from the revolution officer corps - is highly suspect. During the Iran-Iraq war, for example, Iranian Revolutionary Guards used to fly shot-gun with Iranian F-4 Phantom pilots - to ensure that they didn't defect. This aura of suspicion shadows the entire IRIAF to this day.

The result is an IRIAF that couldn't put up a fight against the pampered princes of the Saudi air force, much less a more sophisticated air force like that of the US or Israel. Remember that the air-to-air score between Saudi and Iran is still 1:0.

The much talked-about sale of Su-30 fighters to Iran has been under negotiation for over half a decade, with no sign of closure. Equipping the IRIAF isn't a priority for the Iranian ayatollahs. Building more missiles and developing nuclear arms is. A missile doesn't question orders. It's more likely that Iran will procure the Chinese J-10 (which would equip Iran's Revolutionary Guard Air Force), than that you'll see any meaningful flow of new weapons to the IRIAF in the near future:
http://israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=4464

For both Israel and the US, the real obstacles to scoring a knock-out kill of Iran's nuclear facilities (should the diplomatic options become exhausted), are geography, and the difficulties inherent in destroying buried, hardened shelters. The anemic remains of the IRIAF will be of secondary concern.

joejd12
04-01-2008, 01:30 AM
The result is an IRIAF that couldn't put up a fight against the pampered princes of the Saudi air force, much less a more sophisticated air force like that of the US or Israel. Remember that the air-to-air score between Saudi and Iran is still 1:0.

The much talked-about sale of Su-30 fighters to Iran has been under negotiation for over half a decade, with no sign of closure. Equipping the IRIAF isn't a priority for the Iranian ayatollahs. Building more missiles and developing nuclear arms is. A missile doesn't question orders. It's more likely that Iran will procure the Chinese J-10 (which would equip Iran's Revolutionary Guard Air Force), than that you'll see any meaningful flow of new weapons to the IRIAF in the near future:
http://israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=4464


For both Israel and the US, the real obstacles to scoring a knock-out kill of Iran's nuclear facilities (should the diplomatic options become exhausted), are geography, and the difficulties inherent in destroying buried, hardened shelters. The anemic remains of the IRIAF will be of secondary concern.

i seem to remember an article in ynet a few months ago about Iran signing a contract for the j-10 (which has a range of 3000 km or miles i dont remember) and whihc can make the full trip from iran to israel and back....
it also talked about how the j-10 was built using israeli help....


and when you say the main obstacle for the us and israel in knocking out the nuclear plants is geography... arent you forgetting about their advanced air defence systems (sams-surface to air missiles)?

i remember reading that irans nuclear facilities are more heavily protected than Berlin was in ww2...

but then again, the same kind of air defence system (s-300) was guarding the syrian nuclear sites in sept. 2007 and that didnt turn out too badly for us:wink:

Intrn'l_relations101
04-01-2008, 05:37 AM
i seem to remember an article in ynet a few months ago about Iran signing a contract for the j-10 (which has a range of 3000 km or miles i dont remember) and whihc can make the full trip from iran to israel and back....
it also talked about how the j-10 was built using israeli help....


and when you say the main obstacle for the us and israel in knocking out the nuclear plants is geography... arent you forgetting about their advanced air defence systems (sams-surface to air missiles)?

i remember reading that irans nuclear facilities are more heavily protected than Berlin was in ww2...

but then again, the same kind of air defence system (s-300) was guarding the syrian nuclear sites in sept. 2007 and that didnt turn out too badly for us:wink:

Syrian plants defence are and will remain to be "incompaarble" to that of Iran. You have to review your "knowledge" on the Issue.

joejd12
04-01-2008, 09:24 PM
Syrian plants defence are and will remain to be "incompaarble" to that of Iran. You have to review your "knowledge" on the Issue.


i apologize.... i guess debkafile and ynet are much less reliable than you are.....

i do sincerely apologize....

Intrn'l_relations101
04-02-2008, 04:57 AM
I did not need your "sarcasm" but if you read "foreign affairs" or other Strategic school reviews like CSIS or ISIS you will get to know what I am talking about..

I sincerely apologize for chosign "Top internationally" reliable sources.. really sorry.. you know its this "academic" validity standard perhaps "popular" media know more.

haamimhagolan
04-04-2008, 11:56 AM
if you read "foreign affairs" or other Strategic school reviews like CSIS or ISIS you will get to know what I am talking about..

I have read Foreign Affairs, as well as publications from a variety of well known think tanks (including Rand Corp, IISS, and materials released by Jane's, Aviation Week, and Flight International). I for one, remain unimpressed with the depth of Iran's air defense network.

Iran has to defend a land area that is nearly nine-times the size Syria's. Yet Syria has more than five times the number of confirmed SAM missile batteries than Iran can currently field. Syria's weakness is that their SAM array is aging, and they lack the financial means to upgrade it. Iran has the financial means, but is starting with a relatively thin SAM network.

So far, Iran's ruling class of ayatollahs still believes that investing in more thought police, and persecuting their own populace, is more important than buying missile batteries. For the time being at least, Iran's air defense network would pose only a minimal threat to a concerted US or Israeli air strike.

As I stated before, for both Israel and the US, the real obstacles to scoring a knock-out kill of Iran's nuclear facilities, would be geography, and the difficulties of achieving a confirmed kill against destroying buried, hardened shelters.

Intrn'l_relations101
04-05-2008, 05:22 AM
The military data on iran is highly lacking because most of iranian military establishments remain in secret in order to make military calculations by enemy units more difficult.

Syria has been easilly analyzed for both proximity and simplicity of their military programs. they lack relative sophistication and military capacity.

Most of the sites are concealed and underground and located in highly protected areas that are not fully known by intelligence institutions.

remember that iran has also enagged in purchasing highly advanced anti-air missile systems form Russia which puts iranian military in a more advanced defensive position.

the naunces are very important if you want to understand the issue and the subsequent cause-effect analysis.

Intrn'l_relations101
04-05-2008, 05:24 AM
I did not need your "sarcasm" but if you read "foreign affairs" or other Strategic school reviews like CSIS or ISIS you will get to know what I am talking about..

I sincerely apologize for choosing "Top internationally" reliable sources.. really sorry.. you know its this "academic" validity standard perhaps "popular" media know more.

joejd12
04-05-2008, 05:30 AM
The military data on iran is highly lacking because most of iranian military establishments remain in secret in order to make military calculations by enemy units more difficult.

Syria has been easilly analyzed for both proximity and simplicity of their military programs. they lack relative sophistication and military capacity.

Most of the sites are concealed and underground and located in highly protected areas that are not fully known by intelligence institutions.

remember that iran has also enagged in purchasing highly advanced anti-air missile systems form Russia which puts iranian military in a more advanced defensive position.

the naunces are very important if you want to understand the issue and the subsequent cause-effect analysis.


"remember that iran has also enagged in purchasing highly advanced anti-air missile systems form Russia which puts iranian military in a more advanced defensive position."

well, thats interesting.... how exactly are their anti-aircraft systems more sophisticated than the ones Syria has if they both use the very same s-300?


and after the syrian raid iranian anti aircraft specialists were sent to sria to see what happened and to see why Syrias systems, which are the same as their own (though they may be in different placements, different quality of operators, i dont know anything about that) failed to stop our jets from demolishing the syrian nuclear reactor....

haamimhagolan
04-05-2008, 12:31 PM
Most of the sites are concealed and underground and located in highly protected areas that are not fully known by intelligence institutions.

Unless you are aiming for moles, you cannot conceal a SAM missile battery underground. By its nature, a SAM battery must be located above ground, with its radar units and missiles deployed across a wide area - if they expect to be effective at all. Other than the very short-range SAM's (which have a smaller footprint), it is relatively easy to pick these sites out from satellite imagery. I can assure you that all of Iran's long and medium range SAM batteries have been identified and catalogued by both the US and Israel.

Iran's military was once a modern, well respected fighting force - back in the days of the Shah. Since the Islamic revolution, however, the senior officer corps has been purged, and those remaining are advanced to positions of authority on the basis of their obediance to the ayatollah's - not their ability to lead troops into battle. Iran's air defenses, as they currently exist, would pose relatively little resistance to a modern air force such as that of Israel or the United States.

It is not Iran's air defenses that most worry policy makers in Jerusalem or Washington. It's the surface-to-surface missiles, the waves of would-be suicide bombers, and the difficulties associated with destroying Iran's buried weapons plants.

Intrn'l_relations101
04-06-2008, 08:32 AM
Modern or more advanced military enemy?

I agree with the last paragraph..