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[Big-E]

When is Isreal hoping to get her F-35s... More importantly what is she going to do with them? What's the threat that requires more than the latest F-15s and F-16s?

[Balam]

As far I know, they are expecting to get 100 F-35, and that`s better than have just a few F15s, I guess.

[[IDF]Hayal]

Israel participated in creation of the JSF but decided to leave the project. The reason is that the USA didn't allow Israel to make any changes in the plane after it will be bought.
IAF are one of the strongest in the world and not only because of a high quality training. All israeli army aircrafts that were bought in America are modified and use israeli systems. A lot of arabic countries also use american made planes but they are not so advanced like israeli variants.
JSF will be sold to america's arabic friends too, it means that if israelis won't modernize JSF they will loose all the advantages in the air. It can be deadly for our country.
Israel made an important contribution to the creation of the JSF, only america spent more for this project, and in spite of that Israel must find an alternative for JSF. I have an information that IAF took note of Eurofighter.
P.S. England wants to leave the project for the same reason.

[Mandrake]

With the whopping price tag JSF doesnt reach standards of the F-22 raptor. US versions will also be more advanced than the ones exported to others .

Only in case of UAE deal US has for the first time sold versions more modern their owns . UAE Block 60/62 versions are more modern than even US versions .

US has not allowed any changes on the F-35 by participating nations. UK has been recently showing NEWLY FOUND interest in the French rafale for naval strike platform .

HOWEVER , US congress recently allowed sale of extremely high value asset like Raptor "can" be exported . US plans to offer these to Japan as a launch customer . I dont see why Israel shouldnt express interest . Considering Raptor even without changes does promise to be not offered to other forces in the region except to a friendly nation to israel like Turkey which is highly doubted considering Turks will already be spending too much on the F-35 doubt they will be eyeing F-22 Raptor as well.

[loganinkosovo]

It's an ugly little thing but can get the job done well.



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[Jordan]

Hayal']Israel participated in creation of the JSF but decided to leave the project. The reason is that the USA didn't allow Israel to make any changes in the plane after it will be bought.
IAF are one of the strongest in the world and not only because of a high quality training. All israeli army aircrafts that were bought in America are modified and use israeli systems. A lot of arabic countries also use american made planes but they are not so advanced like israeli variants.
JSF will be sold to america's arabic friends too, it means that if israelis won't modernize JSF they will loose all the advantages in the air. It can be deadly for our country.
Israel made an important contribution to the creation of the JSF, only america spent more for this project, and in spite of that Israel must find an alternative for JSF. I have an information that IAF took note of Eurofighter.
P.S. England wants to leave the project for the same reason.

You think the Europeans will sell Israel eurofighters? Not to be a dick, but you are dreaming. You know how much heat politically they will meet? Even in the U.K. they protest against sells of just APCs to Israel!

Okay first of all their are politics behind the matter. Israel was kicked out of the project because it gave information and technology to China in which the U.S. asked Israel not to. It's like asking a friend which never or rarely questioned you to shut up when you go behind their back. Meanwhile you want to go to the Europeans?

Not to mention the bill is probably largely covered by the U.S.

@ the thread starter

the threat is Iran right now. Israel is planning for the future conventional threats.

[PILMAN]

I heard Israel was recently allowed back into the program with special circumstances that lockheed said they cannot modify the plane?

[Punjabi_Jutt]

Israel was kicked out of the project because it gave information and technology to China in which the U.S. asked Israel not to. It's like asking a friend which never or rarely questioned you to shut up when you go behind their back.

What I don't get is, why does Israel give technology know-how to China??? Especially since that Chinese tech is probably going to end up in Pakistan or more importantly; Iran...

[kaiser]

What I don't get is, why does Israel give technology know-how to China??? Especially since that Chinese tech is probably going to end up in Pakistan or more importantly; Iran...

Mainly because of china's large growing avionics industry which israel would like to get a piece of (as is pakistan :D ). China will in the future release the J-10c (china's answer to the JSF, rafale, and ef-2000) and china is the only nation in the world after the US to be currently working on a 5th generation fighter (J-XX)

[kryp]

the j10 is almost 100% based on LAVI (israeli aircraft). i think its 4th genertion fighter and not 5. its like the f16,mig29, not like f22.

[PILMAN]

What I don't get is, why does Israel give technology know-how to China??? Especially since that Chinese tech is probably going to end up in Pakistan or more importantly; Iran...

I thought at the time it was because the US was selling Israeli tech to Israels enemys or something. Also they were only upgraded Israeli UAVs weren't they?

[Jordan]

I thought at the time it was because the US was selling Israeli tech to Israels enemys or something. Also they were only upgraded Israeli UAVs weren't they?

source? because i've never heard that.
:confused:

[Punjabi_Jutt]

Mainly because of china's large growing avionics industry which israel would like to get a piece of (as is pakistan :D ). China will in the future release the J-10c (china's answer to the JSF, rafale, and ef-2000
J-10c is a far fetched thought. Atleast we should let the J-10 come out. And IMO Israel's own avionics industry is much more advanced then China's...

and china is the only nation in the world after the US to be currently working on a 5th generation fighter (J-XX)

actually, Russia and India are also jointly working on a 5th Gen. and I don't think the Chinese have the technology to make a 5th gen. aircraft; especially since they are still buying the designs of their most advanced aircraft from Israel and the engines from Russia.

[kryp]

i dont think china can make 5th gen jet. they have the money , thats all.
to be honest china wanna be world power, they have the money and the numbers, but their tech is nothing spcieal

country like israel and india can make IMHO , but its a lot of money.. and why should they if they can buy f22 from usa.

[PILMAN]

i dont think china can make 5th gen jet. they have the money , thats all.
to be honest china wanna be world power, they have the money and the numbers, but their tech is nothing spcieal

country like israel and india can make IMHO , but its a lot of money.. and why should they if they can buy f22 from usa.

Exactly I don't find anything special about China, they make clones and copys of stuff very cheap but that's about it. They are ruining our economy and polluting the world trying to play catch up.

[indian_sukhoi]

What I don't get is, why does Israel give technology know-how to China??? Especially since that Chinese tech is probably going to end up in Pakistan or more importantly; Iran...
Thatz the Problem with the Amercians. They Dont want their Technology to go for the Chinese Just like That. Israel and China are Having a lot of Secrtet Military Deals and US is going seriously Mad On them.

[USAF Officer]

When is Isreal hoping to get her F-35s... More importantly what is she going to do with them? What's the threat that requires more than the latest F-15s and F-16s?
idk if we are willing to give the JSF to any other nation but britan, but realy i hope you guys get sonme,

[Punjabi_Jutt]

I think JSF is for export to anyone willing to buy...

[woodbine901]

did they look into the f/a-18 super hornets or the strike eagle at all?

f-35 does make a nice addition in the idf arsenal tho

[haamimhagolan]

did they look into the f/a-18 super hornets or the strike eagle at all?

f-35 does make a nice addition in the idf arsenal tho

The Heyl haAvir seriously evaluated buying the Hornet back in the 1980s - and couldn't justify the cost of it. The F-16 was far less expensive even then.

This cost-benefit trade has only tilted further in favor of the latest models of each airplane. The Super Hornet doesn't have anywhere near the strike radius of the F-16I, yet costs far more. The Israelis really debated between buying additional F-15I fighters, and buying the F-16I in their last major purchase - ultimately selecting the F-16I as being too good of a bargain to pass up.

With regard to the F-35, the JSF is a different class of technology. If you know that you may eventually need to carry out air strikes in Iran however, and would like to be able to pass through Iraqi, or Saudi airspace without being detected en route, the F-35 becomes a must-have weapons system.

[woodbine901]

thanks for the reply, tottaly agree with you there