China rolls out AWACS aircrafts for Pakistan Air Force

[cute_assassin]

China rolls out AWACS aircrafts for Pakistan Air Force


The rollout ceremony of first of four Chinese ZDK-03 airborne warning and control systems (AWACS) aircrafts for the Pakistan Air Force was held at Hanzhong in China today.

The rollout coincided with President Asif Ali Zardari's visit to China – his sixth since assuming the position in 2008.PAF chief Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman was the chief guest at the ceremony, which was attended by the Commander of the PLA Air Force and other military and civil officials of China.

The PAF signed a contract in 2008 with China Electronics Technology Group Corporation for the joint development of four ZDK-03 AWACS aircraft configured to Pakistan's specifications.
The ZDK-03 is an advanced AWACS with sophisticated integrated sensors and communications suite, PAF said in a statement.

In his speech at the rollout, Air Chief Marshal Suleman described the event as "another milestone in the exemplary history of cooperation between Pakistan and China”.
This AWACS will strengthen the PAF's capabilities to maintain "peace with honour in the region", he said.

The AWACS is part of PAF's overall strategy of transforming itself into a "lean and technologically advanced air force", Suleman said.The PAF will not spare any effort to make the defence of the country impregnable, he added.

CETC Chairman Wang Zhigang said the induction of the AWACS by the PAF will have a "positive impact on regional stability, peace and prosperity as well as on the close bond between the two military forces and two countries".

The PAF has also received two of four Saab-2000 AWACs aircraft ordered from Sweden.
The remaining two aircraft equipped with the Erieye radar system are expected to be delivered later this year.

[Zeus]

We are going to receive some more Phalcon orders soon.

[cute_assassin]

yea, but they ofcourse are a class apart with the phalcon AWACS... while Pak's getting the ZDK-3, although Im not too big a fan of the IL-76 platform...

[haamimhagolan]

Hard to believe anyone would pay good money for that flying fossil. Guess Pakistan couldn't afford Saab 2000's. They'd better hope the Chinese send a big supply of spares to keep those crates flying.

[cute_assassin]

Originally Posted by haamimhagolan

Hard to believe anyone would pay good money for that flying fossil. Guess Pakistan couldn't afford Saab 2000's. They'd better hope the Chinese send a big supply of spares to keep those crates flying.

actually Pak have Saab 2000 (two of them if Im not mistaken), they are buying 4x ZDK-03 from PRC (these have a radar range of around 100miles) around that f the F-16 radar... dont see no real purpose of these AWACS in conflict.

[haamimhagolan]

Originally Posted by cute_assassin

actually Pak have Saab 2000 (two of them if Im not mistaken)

Sorry, I meant to say that they cannot afford enough Saab 2000s (my bad). Two airplanes isn't going to give them 24-7 coverage anywhere - let alone across their entire border. Even with the addition of four ZDK-03's, the Pakistanis still won't be able to cover their entire border zone. The difference between a tactical AWACS such as these, and a strategic AWACS like the Phalcon, is night and day. It's almost like they purchased the airplanes as a "me too" gesture. It's just not enough to make a difference in a real firefight (especially with the reliability that they can expect from their Chinese product).

[Zeus]

Whatever but Pakistan is maintaining its air superiority position compared to India. I don't care how and under what circumstances but it's a fact.
Wake up India or you will never.

[cute_assassin]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Whatever but Pakistan is maintaining its air superiority position compared to India. I don't care how and under what circumstances but it's a fact.
Wake up India or you will never.

If thats sarcasm, ROFL...
If you are serious... enunciate please

[blueblood]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Whatever but Pakistan is maintaining its air superiority position compared to India. I don't care how and under what circumstances but it's a fact.
Wake up India or you will never.

Why the heck should we worry about a nearly failed state having some toys?
The best they can do is send some more armed terrorists to kill civilians and having an AWACS won't helping them in this case.

And about this "air superiority" thing, you should take the help of google to understand the meaning of this word.

It is India who maintains air superiority, what Pakis maintain is called a pathetic attempt of deterrence.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by blueblood

And about this "air superiority" thing, you should take the help of google to understand the meaning of this word.

It is India who maintains air superiority, what Pakis maintain is called a pathetic attempt of deterrence.

Aha! Is this why India was buttering US when Pakistan signed a deal for obtaining F-16s second time?
InAF is better than PAF but gap is tight, as for now at least.
You people call them poor country, despite this fact Pakistan is always compared with India. If your army/AF stands on 4th, they are also on top ten list, say 8-9th.
Again, I don't care how they manage to compete 'cos you wouldn't ask questions when this monster comes up on your head.

[neilay]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Aha! Is this why India was buttering US when Pakistan signed a deal for obtaining F-16s second time?
InAF is better than PAF but gap is tight, as for now at least.
You people call them poor country, despite this fact Pakistan is always compared with India. If your army/AF stands on 4th, they are also on top ten list, say 8-9th.
Again, I don't care how they manage to compete 'cos you wouldn't ask questions when this monster comes up on your head.

we were not buttering US we were protesting.....who will not....if your enemies receive one of the best fighter aircraft of the world we will be concerned for sure...
even Israel protested against russian move to sale of S-300 to iran and syria....so you think it was buttering as well....??

pakistan airforce is top in quantity not quality....you know which aircraft do they still use...?? except for F-16 nothing can match are AF simply nothing....

their JF-17 can be taken care by LCA or even mig-21....
SU-30MKI are enough to fry F-16 with Israel AWACS and avionics....

[blueblood]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Aha! Is this why India was buttering US when Pakistan signed a deal for obtaining F-16s second time?
InAF is better than PAF but gap is tight, as for now at least.
You people call them poor country, despite this fact Pakistan is always compared with India. If your army/AF stands on 4th, they are also on top ten list, say 8-9th.
Again, I don't care how they manage to compete 'cos you wouldn't ask questions when this monster comes up on your head.

Pal, you don't know a thing about India or pak execpt that you read yesterday that China rolls out AWACS aircrafts for Pakistan Air Force.

Why don't you learn some things about both with the aid of a magical thing called google or maybe wiki so we can continue our discussion in a logical way............

[SpacemanSpiff]

Actually, defeating an AWACS would be an ideal use of a radiation homing version of the Brahmos.

[Zeus]

I am not designing an Air Force simulation software to emulate different planes according to data present on "Google" or "Wikipedia". I find it stupid when people bias themselves looking at plane's specifications and talk, orally win a war, imagining or expecting planes in hand taking off enemies'. Congrats!!!

BTW, for you guys, PAK Combat Aircraft numbers 479 till date (Your wikipedia says so) and India has 363. If you find the comparison webpage (You daily visit!), you will learn the planes PAF has are not so inferior than yours.

One guy talked about LCA, I am sure it's a good machine, my Indian friend in HAL (Some Center) is working on it, but sadly IAF hasn't inducted yet apart from those 4 which are still in testing consideration, though I am not sure about latest news.
So by the time you, not you but your IAF inducts, PAK will be flying J-10 which is supposedly based on our LAVI design, one of the best in its time.

[neilay]

Originally Posted by Zeus

BTW, for you guys, PAK Combat Aircraft numbers 479 till date (Your wikipedia says so) and India has 363. If you find the comparison webpage (You daily visit!), you will learn the planes PAF has are not so inferior than yours.

One guy talked about LCA, I am sure it's a good machine, my Indian friend in HAL (Some Center) is working on it, but sadly IAF hasn't inducted yet apart from those 4 which are still in testing consideration, though I am not sure about latest news.
So by the time you, not you but your IAF inducts, PAK will be flying J-10 which is supposedly based on our LAVI design, one of the best in its time.

363....where did u find that number man...??if we had that number of warplanes....pakistan would have gone for a war by now....
we have more than 750 fighter aircrafts in are inventory....so

PAF has F-7, mirages in their inventory and none are upgraded to match mig-21 bison let alone su-30mki....

LCA induction will start next year for sure after it gets IOC , nearly 200 su30mki wil be produced ....so even without PAK FA and MMRCA we have way to much gap between us....

bro if i had to buy a LAVI or a J-10 i would go for LAVI....i still dont trust chinese avionics....

[cute_assassin]

Originally Posted by Zeus

I am not designing an Air Force simulation software to emulate different planes according to data present on "Google" or "Wikipedia". I find it stupid when people bias themselves looking at plane's specifications and talk, orally win a war, imagining or expecting planes in hand taking off enemies'. Congrats!!!

BTW, for you guys, PAK Combat Aircraft numbers 479 till date (Your wikipedia says so) and India has 363. If you find the comparison webpage (You daily visit!), you will learn the planes PAF has are not so inferior than yours.

One guy talked about LCA, I am sure it's a good machine, my Indian friend in HAL (Some Center) is working on it, but sadly IAF hasn't inducted yet apart from those 4 which are still in testing consideration, though I am not sure about latest news.
So by the time you, not you but your IAF inducts, PAK will be flying J-10 which is supposedly based on our LAVI design, one of the best in its time.

I just browsed through the IAF article in wikipedia, and nowhere it says 363 a/c in IAF. just says exact numbers unknown.
However, I will respond back to your post in full detail a while later.... cheers//

[Zeus]

363 is Combat Aircraft.
Use your 'Google' or 'Wikipedia' skills.

p.s. I don't like/prefer few words like bro, dude., please mind.
Thanks.

[neilay]

Originally Posted by Zeus

363 is Combat Aircraft.
Use your 'Google' or 'Wikipedia' skills.

p.s. I don't like/prefer few words like bro, dude., please mind.
Thanks.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Un...281-Fleet.html

check it out...and yeah even ground attack aircrafts are called fighter aircrafts.....so....

[Zeus]

Check again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...dian_Air_Force

[cute_assassin]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Check again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...dian_Air_Force

get the 363 number for combat a/c only. ground attack a/c & UAV inventory count is seperate.
For the PAF, the number of combat a/c is at 371.
How about their ability, reliability, spares/maintenance. You cant just rely on numbers alone that too of a single class of a/c..