Strike Iran with Nukes?

[betgilson]

who would be behind it? Sayeret Matkal? Or Shaytet 13?

When I think on Gilad Schalit my answer to this question is NONE.

Schalit could be changed by 1000 terrorists, imagine an IDF commando inside of Iran if a single soldier is captured!! what a nightmare.
What do you think? that the revolutionary guard won´t take care of the instalations?

Commandos would be deployed from subs for recon and intelligence, and they are already there.
We are talking without to consider an involvement of the USA but the will take part on it.

B2 Bombers casting a 30.000pounds MOP

[outlawtrucker]

With the current administration I am not convinced the United States would participate in any type of strike on Iran. As much as it chaps my behind to say it I just don't think Obama has the testicular fortitude to do this. Now if Iran blatantly attacked U.S. forces or facilities I think a squadron of fighter/bombers would be dispatched before the dust settled. But I think that right now this is what it is going to take to involve the U.S. in any kind of forceful action against Iran.

[betgilson]

the Security Conference in Munique this month I became the impression that USA, France , England and Germany are trying to get the support and agreement of China and Russia in order to go further in the measurements against Iran.
When even Germany says "any attack against Israel will be against Germany as well" (imagine that) and
"A nuclear Iran is unacceptable".
I don´t have any doubt that it has been said in agreement and consultation with USA and the others.
Many people continue to "paint" Obama as coward. I think, he knows NOW much better about the US foreign politics as at the beginning and has learnt that some problems must be tackled. (he himself said recently that sometimes war is necessary to achieve peace)
he is getting smarter and many can´t see it

When USA and its NATO allies manage to gain Russia and China on board, well then, Israel won´t need to attack alone.
Otherwise Israel will use the right to defend itself from the destruction.
Commands? maybe yes. But much much later after a devastating air strike.

[Familyguydude]

I doubt very much that Obama will use any sort of preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear facility. Yet, this has nothing to do with his politics. Bush also previously refused not to only aid Israel in such a quest, but even refusing to support an Israeli strike itself. I think this has less to do with who's in the Oval Office, and more with the state of the US. A weakening economy, and a military that is already under heavy pressure, another conflict is the last thing this country needs. The War in Iraq and to a lesser extent, Afghanistan, has turned the majority of Americans away from carrying a "big stick" policy. After 8 years of war, the last thing the American population is going to support is an American strike on Iran IMO. So this is why I advocate that Israel begin to rely less on America, and begin to take this threat seriously by its own. The world is going to wait for Israel to act alone, AGAIN, because it does not want to get its hands dirty. In the end however, I can only foresee forced American involvement. After the Israeli strike, no doubt Iran will lash out against American forces. The second one American life is lost to Iran, you can bet all hell is going to break loose. Then, the world's streets will yet again light up with anti-Israel/America riots, and I fear for the safety of Jews everywhere.

[SpacemanSpiff]

Both Reuters and Haaretz have articles about certain statements made by Dan Halutz:

Israel general doubts power to hit Iran atom sites

13 Feb 2010 19:15:56 GMT
Source: Reuters

JERUSALEM, Feb 13 (Reuters) - Israel may lack the military means for successful preemptive strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities, its former top general said on Saturday.

While endorsing international efforts to pressure Tehran into curbing sensitive nuclear technologies, Israel has hinted it could resort to force. But some analysts say Israeli jets would be stymied by the distance to Iran and by its defences. Asked in a television interview about Israeli leaders' vows to "take care" of the perceived threat, ex-general Dan Halutz, who stepped down as armed forces chief in 2007, said: "We are taking upon ourselves a task that is bigger than us."

"I think that the State of Israel should not take it upon itself to be the flag-bearer of the entire Western world in the face of the Iranian threat," Halutz, whose previous military post was as air force commander, told Channel Two.

"I'm not some passer-by ... I've filled a few positions that give me a different level of information to the average person," he said without elaborating.

The United States and European nations are trying to enlist other world powers in stepping up sanctions against Iran for its uranium enrichment, a process with bomb-making potential. Tehran denies having hostile designs but its anti-Israel rhetoric has stirred war fears. Some analysts believe Israel, which is assumed to have the Middle East's only atomic ****nal but neither confirms nor denies this capability, is boosting its defences to deter a nuclear-armed Iran from future confrontations.

The United States, publicly circumspect about the prospect of another regional war, has stationed a strategic radar in Israel and last year held anti-missile drills with its ally. Asked what Israel should do if its foreign allies failed to prevent Iran going nuclear, Halutz said: "Then we will have to think about how to handle it, and I won't say anything more."

(Writing by Dan Williams; Editing by Mark Trevelyan) (For blogs and links on other Israeli news, go to http://blogs.reuters.com/axismundi)

While this is not different from the Israeli government's official stance--that Iran is a threat to the whole world, and the whole world should solve the problem--nevertheless, I wonder if Halutz has become overly pessimistic due to his own failings in prosecuting the 2006 Lebanon War.

Thoughts, anyone ?

[Raytheon]

I think that Israel would have to stand aside i.e Not attacking Iran.

[Raytheon]

Originally Posted by Familyguydude

Hmm, an interesting idea. I have read/heard recently that Israeli commandos are doing some various rigorous training courses in different places around the world. In preparation for a commando raid might be a possibility, but I would assume they are doing this on a regular basis anyways. Assuming that a commando raid does occur, who would be behind it? Sayeret Matkal? Or Shaytet 13?

I cannot answer this question,but i feel like i have to explain why i think that israel should stay apart.

First i think that diplomatic solution is best-U.N offered uranium to be enriched in russia but iranian's REFUSED!!!

So while developing ballistic missiles thus haveing secret Nuclear program...i mean a little baby would know that Iran is prepearing for obtaining nuclear weapon.(It is important to note that U.S or NATO intervention would be considered as a message to other countries(Syria,Libya...maybe Chavez would like nuke's too) Because WMD's proliferation is enough,thus U.S saw the mistake with N.Korea so Iranians think hey..bad american's didn't attack N.Korea why would they attack us...


I supouse you allready know about US Bush administration plan for use of B61-mod 11 bomb from 1966,it has more mod's with more powerfull yield..now modify with depleted Uranim in order to get more deep penetration it yield is 10 kilotons-delivered by B-2.(Mod 11 is 10kt yield).

But many of anti nuclear lobby says NP will not be capable to destroy Natanz or Qom,and other sites of Iran nuclear program....

But also Israel is not to paranoid to use nuclear weapons...because the result will be mass attack on israel with biochemical weapons thus hezbollah will Get Sarin or Soman..

Thus keep in mind that Isreal air force would be under serious threat of Iranian SAM(tor-m1-this is hardcore SAM for defending strategic targets+mobile...SA-10-chinese version there are rumor's iran has own versions...) and would loss much of it's fleet,also GBU's(exception we have) are not option because in order to destroy such undergroun facilities Israel would have to hit minimum 13 times at the same spot(and this is not sure) thus B-61 is not heavy enough to penetrate....(this underground structures are build to withstand attack)thus mod 11 has a parachute.

Here is what i was waiting for years because This can handle the problem with lobotomy in Iran(but Obama is such a p**y that he could not take responsability....if bush was still president i guarantee that Iran would be solved-but he cant' be candidate for third time)

This program started in early 90,then was stopped in 97 but proceed in 99...
That revelation came a month after the Pentagon had asked Congress to shift money to speed up the MOP program, although U.S. And other intelligence agencies had suspected for years that Iran was still hiding at least one nuclear development site.

The MOP could, take out bunkers such as those Saddam Hussein had begun to construct for weapons programs in Iraq, or flatten the kind of cave and tunnel networks that allowed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden to escape U.S. Assault in Tora Bora, Afghanistan, shortly after the U.S. Invasion in 2001.

The precision-guided bomb is designed to drill through earth and almost any underground encasement to reach weapons depots, labs or hideouts.

I little comparative...

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note how powerfull is MOP!!
Anyway the Pentagon has brought forward to December 2009 the target-date for producing the first 15-ton super bunker-buster bomb (GBU-57A/B) Massive Ordinance Penetrator, which can reach a depth of 60.09 meters underground before exploding.

The Pentagon has ordered the number of bombs rolling off the production line increased from four to ten - a rush job triggered in May by the discovery that Iran was hiding a second uranium enrichment plant under a mountain near Qom.

Congress has since quietly inserted the necessary funding in the 2009 budget.

Pentagon administration has been preparing military muscle to back up the international condemnation of Iran's concealed nuclear bomb program, its sanctions threat and his willingness to join the negotiations with Iran opening on Oct. 1 in Geneva.

iran may have to take into account a possible one-time surgical strike against its underground enrichment facility as a warning shot should its defiance continue. In particular, the world powers this week demanded that Iran open up all its nuclear facilities and programs to full and immediate international inspection. Failure to do so could bring forth further US action-which is the best option


Pressed into service are two US Air Force research centers for work on adapting the radar-evading stealth bomber to the giant bomb: t[b]he Air Force Research Laboratory at *********

Pentagon had decided to accelerate the production of 10-12 giant bunker buster bombs in response to intelligence received of Iranian and North Korean underground nuclear plants-for MOP are spent more than 50 billion US dollars
And it's ready(but i said,a doubt in Obama....)i'm asking myself WHO could sign a surgical attack with 4 or 6 B-2 and destroy Iran nuclear program(anyway B-61 is good for iranian uranium mines-in order to make it contaminated)...


Here is GBU-57 in B-2
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and natanz is not tottaly but 40% of it is well known to US inteligence.
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A normal war is not possible because it would need to US minimum one milion soldiers,thus more MBT,and Carrier group's(they are on risk-iran is developing suicide mini sub,and also suicide fast UAV,also anti-ship missile are a threat(but hey Phalanx and Sea RAM are here :) )...and that kind of war would cost much.

If Israel would like to(Ground) attack Iran then it must have logistic from Iraq,in order to attack with airplanes and to deploy special forces near facilty it would cost israel minimum 3000 victims in life force loss of transport choppers and it just could slow the iranian program NOT DESTROY IT.

Here are possible defense ground positions in natanz



Thus if israel attack it would break it's international credibility and if US attack(i mean ground) keep in mind terrain in Iran and fanatics,my point is Iran is not Iraq..just desert so it would be a long fight...

The best option is GBU-57 actually i would like this to happen,it's good for iranians,they will understood that sometimes when you play with fire you can burn yourself-Thus their Nprogram would be GONE 4ever,and with help of CIA and iranian intellectuals maybe the fundamentalist regime after this as i like to say B-2 version would fall(about falling i'm not sure but the program will END and iranian president or their spirit leader would end like romanian dictator Chaushesku.

[Knaur]

Originally Posted by Raytheon

First i think that diplomatic solution is best-U.N offered uranium to be enriched in russia but iranian's REFUSED!!!

I disagree. Allow me to quote General Ridgeway's prophetic words said with regards to the negotiation of Korean War with China, words that I think perfectly describe my opinion on the issue - "To sit down with these men and deal with them as a representative of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride one's own dignity and to invite the disaster their treachery will bring upon us."

about falling i'm not sure but the program will END and iranian president or their spirit leader would end like romanian dictator Chaushesku.

Why do you think the next regime will not be a fundamentalist one? I have no love for the Ayatollahs but the Iranian people oppose them more on domestic issues, I don't think they see the foreign policy as skewed, in fact most of them would be delighted with the prospect of nuking Israel.

and natanz is not tottaly but 40% of it is well known to US inteligence.

Put your money where your mouth is then, post a credible link to validate your assertion, how can you possibly know how much of Natanz's defences is known to US intel?

[Raytheon]

Because there will not be NEXT regime,but Iran will no longer be Islamic Republic.

in fact most of them would be delighted with the prospect of nuking Israel.

No WAY!!

You think there is somebody Psyho sick anough to Nuke Israel with just similar to N.Korea 10 kiloton yield WITHOUT thinking that after that TEHERAN would just simply EVAPORATE...and if Israel Hit's Iranian reactor there will be a looot of Radiation and contamination...even USA will not allow such thing(their forces in Iraq)...

Thus there is sign ? if Iran Succed to deliver the nuke in Israel(keep in mind that Israel Has Arrow ABM which is one of the best ABM defense in the world,thus it can be conneced to Patriot Pac-3(proven...arrow hit real Scud in test in USA,and a repliva of Sahab-3...I don't think that Iran is BM threat to Israel(Also here are in persian gulf AEGIS BMD's with SM-3(proven ABM)...And i dont like too ayatolah but they MUST keep Iranians under propaganda in order to stay in their comfort chair...

Also REAL threat from Iran is The great possibility hesbolah or other terrorist to get Highly radioactive materials or G-type....

That's why i want this regime DOWN,and also END of Iranian nuclear Program.

About this 40%...as you said...

Well before 2007 there were several inspection's from IAEA-what do you think how much of inspectors were REAL inspectors and how much of them were CIA agent's or any other operatives?

[Knaur]

Originally Posted by Raytheon

Because there will not be NEXT regime,but Iran will no longer be Islamic Republic.

Thats some crystal ball you got there mate

...and if Israel Hit's Iranian reactor there will be a looot of Radiation and contamination...even USA will not allow such thing(their forces in Iraq)...

Like the last time Israel attacked a reactor, we saw people dead of radiation all over ME right? No wait, what am I missing here

Think of Chernobyl, the worst ever nuclear disaster, level 7 disaster, FOUR HUNDRED times the potency of ww2 atom bombings, how much area was contaminated to the extent of causing serious dosage of radiation? Thirty kilometers.

That was of a much, much larger scale, and much less protected and insulated than a military installation btw, the Iranian reactors won't even come close.

I don't know which science fiction novels you are getting your "facts" from but a crippling raid on Iranian nuclear sites will not lead to a nuclear winter over the neighbouring countries, or whatever you have in mind. Not even close.

You think there is somebody Psyho sick anough to Nuke Israel with just similar to N.Korea 10 kiloton yield WITHOUT thinking that after that TEHERAN would just simply EVAPORATE .Thus there is sign ? if Iran Succed to deliver the nuke in Israel(keep in mind that Israel Has Arrow ABM which is one of the best ABM defense in the world,thus it can be conneced to Patriot Pac-3(proven...arrow hit real Scud in test in USA,and a repliva of Sahab-3...I don't think that Iran is BM threat to Israel(Also here are in persian gulf AEGIS BMD's with SM-3(proven ABM)...

So basically you want to escalate the scenario to attacking only when Israel is already attacked and Iran has a credible nuke ****nal instead of making full use of your capability and advantage while you still have it.

And i dont like too ayatolah but they MUST keep Iranians under propaganda in order to stay in their comfort chair...

I see, so the

No WAY!!

you said regarding Iranian people's hatred of Israel meant what? Your statement itself states Iranians are bombarded with propaganda. If you have read about the anti-Israeli and Anti-American rallies in Iran, you'd know about their true feelings. Do you think as soon as Ayatollahs are out of power, these radicalised people will suddenly see the light and change their Anti-Zionist feelings?

Also REAL threat from Iran is The great possibility hesbolah or other terrorist to get Highly radioactive materials or G-type....

Yet another reason why this program MUST stop.

That's why i want this regime DOWN,and also END of Iranian nuclear Program.

Do you realise the leading opposition members, the one who'd actually come to power if it ever was to happen, ALSO support the nuclear program?

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020101

About this 40%...as you said...

Well before 2007 there were several inspection's from IAEA-what do you think how much of inspectors were REAL inspectors and how much of them were CIA agent's or any other operatives?

I don't know Raytheon, but since you seem to be very confident in claiming US intel knows 40% of Natan'z defence preprations, you ll no doubt in due course also enlighten me as to HOW you came about making such claims? How do you know some of IAEA were CIA agents? How do you know they got to know 40%, not less? How do you know there are no other sources for intel gathering? How do you know USA doesn't know more?

[joejd12]

Originally Posted by Knaur

Do you realise the leading opposition members, the one who'd actually come to power if it ever was to happen, ALSO support the nuclear program?

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020101

I don'

this is a central point that most people miss when it comes to Iran, the so called "reformists" are'nt all that different from the "hardliners". In fact, it was actually the "reformists" who started Iran's nuclear program!

great to see some people do get that

[Familyguydude]

Yeah, the Green movement in Iran is primarily driven by domestic issues. When it comes to Israel, well, I'd imagine that is a bipartisan issue for the Iranians. Despite that, while a strike is needed, it will not be the end of this struggle. As the years go by, and technology advances and knowledge becomes more attainable, more and more countries will have the know how on how to build a nuclear bomb if they so wish. While a strike on Iran will no doubt set the Iranians nuclear program back, it will not completely eleminate it. It will only buy us more time to find another solution. For me, it is highly unlikely that Israel will remain the sole nuclear power in the Middle East by the end of the next 50 years, and most certainly by the end of this century. There is only so much a military solution can provide, a more permanent alternative must be found to ensure the total security of the Jewish state.

[Knaur]

Originally Posted by Familyguydude

Yeah, the Green movement in Iran is primarily driven by domestic issues. When it comes to Israel, well, I'd imagine that is a bipartisan issue for the Iranians. Despite that, while a strike is needed, it will not be the end of this struggle. As the years go by, and technology advances and knowledge becomes more attainable, more and more countries will have the know how on how to build a nuclear bomb if they so wish. While a strike on Iran will no doubt set the Iranians nuclear program back, it will not completely eleminate it. It will only buy us more time to find another solution. For me, it is highly unlikely that Israel will remain the sole nuclear power in the Middle East by the end of the next 50 years, and most certainly by the end of this century. There is only so much a military solution can provide, a more permanent alternative must be found to ensure the total security of the Jewish state.

Off topic,

This is all due to China's stupidity and lack of mature foresight. In an effort to thwart India, they gave nuclear tech to Pakistan, a seriously unstable Islamic country. Pakistan further shared much of this info with Iran, Libya (gave up WMD's now, also gave up documents which demonstrated wth Pakistan had been up to), Iraq (didn't pursue it through) and North Korea (already had a fledgling program). Pakistani nuclear scientists have in the past been arrested for having links with Al Queda and Taliban. You see where I am going with this?

[SpacemanSpiff]

Originally Posted by Familyguydude

Yeah, the Green movement in Iran is primarily driven by domestic issues. When it comes to Israel, well, I'd imagine that is a bipartisan issue for the Iranians. Despite that, while a strike is needed, it will not be the end of this struggle. As the years go by, and technology advances and knowledge becomes more attainable, more and more countries will have the know how on how to build a nuclear bomb if they so wish. While a strike on Iran will no doubt set the Iranians nuclear program back, it will not completely eleminate it. It will only buy us more time to find another solution. For me, it is highly unlikely that Israel will remain the sole nuclear power in the Middle East by the end of the next 50 years, and most certainly by the end of this century. There is only so much a military solution can provide, a more permanent alternative must be found to ensure the total security of the Jewish state.

There is widespread support across the Iranian political spectrum for nuclear energy (both power plants and bombs).

There is not widespread support across the political spectrum for a nuclear war with Israel.

I believe that stable deterrence could exist between Israel and an Iran ruled by the Green movement.

BUT . . . even here, the possibility of a return of the radical Islamicists will make this deterrence less than ideal.

[Raytheon]

Like the last time Israel attacked a reactor, we saw people dead of radiation all over ME right? No wait, what am I missing here

THIS you are missing Iraq reactor was not WORKING because Iran was the first to seriously damage the Reactor.
and than Operation opera started(keep in mind the route of Israeli planes and tell me was there any SAM) Here Saudian's Helped Thus aircraft's were refueling.

Iran has at least 2 working Sattellte in orbit(they have agreement with N.Korea)..plus the new one launched recently....so if something is going on....they will KNOW plus

This is not a game like red alert back in the time's visit(center for strategic and international studies ) http://csis.org/

Fir'st Iranian defense Aircraft's (Mirage,MIG-29 F-5.+75 Iraq planes Su-25,Mig-23,29 and many Mirage's...in not too bad condition.+SAM..also Busehr is heavy defended buy concentrated SAM including HAWK..and other system's ups TOR-m1 also is here...and that system...simply kick asses because it's designed for DEFENDING Targets like Reactor's,stockpiles,building's e.t.c

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after this check this(before 4 or 6 years's)

The problem with Iran's SAM network is the apparent over-reliance on the SA-5 system to provide air defense over most of the nation. The SA-5 is certainly a threat to ISR aircraft such as the U-2R or E-3, but the primary threat which Iran must consider is that of standoff cruise missiles and strike aircraft featuring comprehensive EW suites. Against these types of low-RCS or maneuverable targets, the SA-5 cannot be counted upon to be effective. Libyan SA-5 systems proved completely ineffective against USN and USAFE strike aircraft in 1986, and the Iranian SA-5s would certainly fare no better in a much more modern air combat environment.

As mentioned previously, the remainder of the air defense network is primarily situated to provide point defense and as such does not represent a serious threat to a dedicated and sophisticated enemy. Even lesser-equipped nations would be able to explot the various gaps and vulnerabilities in the network provided the SA-5s could be neutralized in some fashion, be it through ECM, technical capability, or direct attack.

This raises the question of the importance of SAM systems to Iran's air defense network. Given the current deployment strategy, the small number of sites, and the capability of the systems themselves, it is likely that Iran places more importance on the fighter force as an air defense element. This would explain the continued efforts to retain an operational fleet of F-14A interceptors. The short range of the HQ-2 and HAWK systems, coupled with the ineffectiveness of the SA-5 to deal with low-RCS targets, also explains the reports regarding Iranian attempts to purchase advanced SAM systems from Russia.
Iran does have reason to suspect the reliability of the HAWK SAM system against a Western opponent, as the missile was an American product and has been in widespread use throughout the West for decades. The HQ-2, however, should be regarded as potentially more reliable, as it is not a standard (and widely exploited) SA-2 but rather a Chinese-produced weapon with which the West should have a lesser degree of familiarity insofar as electronic performance, if not physical performance, is concerned.
It should be mentioned that one possible source of attrition for the HQ-2 system is the conversion of many missiles to Mushak SSMs to complement CSS-8 SSMs (HQ-2 derivatives) obtained from China. Many batteries may also be out of service for modification to Sayyad-1 standard, which represents a modification of the HQ-2 design with some indigenous components.

CONCLUSION

On the surface, Iran's ground-based air defense appears to be relatively robust thanks to the presence and reach of the six SA-5 batteries. However, a closer analysis reveals a network which is currently full of holes and vulnerabilities that a potential aggressor could exploit. The Iranian SAM network is obviously in need of a serious upgrade, one which is more substantial than simply producing modified HQ-2 missiles. The presence of air interceptors and numerous terrain constraints do explain away some of the negative aspects of Iran's SAM network, but taken as a whole it represents a relatively ineffective form or defense against a modern agressor. Given the current political climate, it would be in the best interest of the Iranian military to proceed with a widespread upgrade, with the most effective option being the purchase of S-300PMU-2 or SAM systems for Russia, or perhaps the more cost-effective and similarly capable HQ-9 SAM system from China. Incorporating either purchase into a package deal with modern fighter aircraft such as the Su-30MK or J-10 would result in a much more robust air defense network overall.

SOURCES

-SAM ranges used to construct the range rings were taken from Jane's Land Based Air Defence.

-The aforementioned data is based on analysis of the available open-source satellite imagery of Iran and may not represent the entire air defense network. Tor-M1E units, for example, are known to be present, but are not yet visible in available imagery.

Which now unfortunately IT HAD this System's also the plane's...well put a finger and think...
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see this (called optimistic variant)

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and the real variant...according to FAS is contamination of part's of Russia(i don't think they will allow this) Also Shia part of Iraq over 35%(USA will not allow this-they have Army in Iraq)....Thus if we consider the N-fission(without control)...then...i pray this not to happen.
therefore think twice before saying something without fact's...

Like the last time Israel attacked a reactor, we saw people dead of radiation all over ME right? No wait, what am I missing here

and the answer will be....
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So now you are not missing...i hope.

Also Expert's saw in iraq

The most well-known of these is the GBU-28 developed and deployed in the final weeks of the air campaign in the Gulf War. The Air Force was initially unable to destroy a well-protected bunker north of Baghdad after repeated direct hits

Thus as i said about natanz and Qam

Construction of underground buildings. The larger two are finished with layers of fill dirt and poured concrete to protect against aerial attack

this is from federation of american scientist(fas) and Globalsecurity

http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2009/08/...t-all-mean.php

Think of Chernobyl, the worst ever nuclear disaster, level 7 disaster, FOUR HUNDRED times the potency of ww2 atom bombings, how much area was contaminated to the extent of causing serious dosage of radiation? Thirty kilometers.

Are You aware that there is no point in comparing FIRE in Reactor i.e DISASTER in Chernobyl With BOMBING REACTOR WHO is WORKING.(1000MW)..and If Explode-which it is easy to predict(chernobyl fission was stopped and ONLY part of reactor left radiation) but here.....Nor even God can stop the Fission....and then contamination

Yeah,and the earth was replaced...it's slow but the worst part is that Soviet Soldiers were sent there without any NHB protection.

Knaur i WROTE

You think there is somebody Psyho sick anough to Nuke Israel with just similar to N.Korea 10 kiloton yield WITHOUT thinking that after that TEHERAN would just simply EVAPORATE .Thus there is sign ? if Iran Succed to deliver the nuke in Israel(keep in mind that Israel Has Arrow ABM which is one of the best ABM defense in the world,thus it can be conneced to Patriot Pac-3(proven...arrow hit real Scud in test in USA,and a repliva of Sahab-3...I don't think that Iran is BM threat to Israel(Also here are in persian gulf AEGIS BMD's with SM-3(proven ABM)...

and you maybe are just making yourself.... or maybe just overturning the meaning of what i wrote.

So basically you want to escalate the scenario to attacking only when Israel is already attacked and Iran has a credible nuke ****nal instead of making full use of your capability and advantage while you still have it.

No Knaur...don't turn over meaning.

from but a crippling raid on Iranian nuclear sites will not lead to a nuclear winter over the neighbouring countries, or whatever you have in mind. Not even close.

Well you make my day.....something SOOO funny ai haven't read ahahahaha...but OK it's forgiven hence this is not a scientific forum but military.
About my fact's...Human's have the gift TO LEARN.


Most of them are dead by now...i learned this for Nuclear decontamination...near 1 meter of All soil was replaced.(but you really don't take factor's like weather,terrain...)...