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Analysis: There is No Palestinian Nation, Says Arab Historian

May 25, 2018



Palestinian History

“Before the Balfour Promise, when the Ottoman rule [1517-1917] ended, Palestine’s political borders as we know them today did not exist, and there was nothing called a Palestinian people with a political identity as we know today”, historian Abd Al-Ghani stated.


By: Judith Bergman

One of the biggest, most stubborn and costliest untruths of our time is the notion that the jihad waged by Arabs in the Palestinian Authority (PA) and Gaza against Jews in Israel is a national struggle of an indigenous people for independence.

No matter the facts, the lie persists to the tune of billions of dollars in international aid and political prestige, which makes it increasingly difficult for anyone involved to admit that the whole thing is nothing more than a propaganda stunt.

Unlike the fairy tale of The Emperor’s New Clothes, everyone pretends to be blind and deaf when it is pointed out that the emperor is naked. In fact, if the emperor himself were to stand up and yell, “I am naked folks, go home!” the crowd would continue complimenting his non-existent garments.

Last week the naked emperor did just that.

“Before the Balfour Promise, when the Ottoman rule [1517-1917] ended, Palestine’s political borders as we know them today did not exist, and there was nothing called a Palestinian people with a political identity as we know today”, historian Abd Al-Ghani admitted on official PA TV on November 1.

“Since Palestine’s lines of administrative division stretched from east to west and included Jordan and southern Lebanon, and like all peoples of the region [the Palestinians] were liberated from the Turkish rule and immediately moved to colonial rule, without forming a Palestinian people’s political identity.”

In 1917, says this Arab historian on official PA TV, there was no such thing as a Palestinian people. This statement amounts to saying that the whole narrative of an ‘indigenous Palestinian people’ was made up at a later point in time
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Who Are the Palestinians?

As Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, speaking on Al-Hekma TV, said in March 2012: “Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians…”

There is a reason, why the “Palestinian National Museum” is empty of historical artifacts.


The Arab historian’s admission corroborates the observations of 19th century travelers to the region, who notably had no specific political agenda when they visited, unlike so many visitors to Israel today:

”Outside the gates of Jerusalem, we saw indeed no living object, heard no living sound”, wrote French poet Alphonse de Lamartine about his visit in 1835.


”The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population,” wrote British Consul James Finn in his 1857 description of the Holy Land.

”Palestine sits in a sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that withered its fields and fettered its energies. …Palestine is desolate and unlovely….It is a hopeless dreary, heartbroken land.” wrote American author Mark Twain in his description of his visit in 1867.


Nevertheless, the Arab propaganda machine gets away with publishing fantastic falsehoods, such as this one on the Palestinian Authority’s tourism website: “With a history that envelops more than one million years, Palestine has played an important role in human civilization. The crucible of prehistoric cultures, it is where settled society, the alphabet, religion, and literature developed, and would become a meeting place for diverse cultures and ideas that shaped the world we know today”.

The international community not only approves of these falsehoods, it happily pays for them.

No One is Paying Attention

Historian Abd Al-Ghani’s declaration on PA TV was a historic, highly newsworthy admission that ought to have made the headlines everywhere, considering the importance the issue is given by political leaders, diplomats, the media and other establishment figures all over the world.

After all, if the Arabs themselves admit that the ‘Palestinian people’ is an invented entity, should not the consequence be that the countless UN projects, billions of dollars in international aid, and the endless campaigns against Israel cease and be used for more noble purposes?

The answer is yes, but no one is paying attention.

We live in a post-factual world. Facts no longer have any currency, unlike feelings and ideological posturing. The truth has been reduced to a troublesome inconvenience and if it happens to stare you in the face, nothing could be easier than closing your eyes or simply looking away.


Judith Bergman is a columnist and political activist. This article was originally published in MIDA.





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Liberal-Free World Order • 10 hours ago

Palestine, Palestine whither art thou ?

The whole "Palestinian' narrative is a myth---as anyone who has studied the actual history--as opposed to the vitriolic rhetoric---knows.

Not to mention that the Arab states like Lebanon and Jordan were carved out of the Empires that preceded their existence through war and conquest.

I fear for the life of this honest historian.

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Keith Rockefeller • 6 hours ago

Good article. There is no Palestine. There was Israel, there is Israel. The closest the Arabs living in Israel have of a claim to any lands would be Gaza, since it was not historically Israelite. It was Philistine, and those people disappeared to history. The Arabs living in Israel and should move out of the land of Israel, or assimilate and shut up.

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AlfaBravo Keith Rockefeller • 5 hours ago

Arabs should move out. Better for all involved

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Don Spilman • 8 hours ago

"the Arab propaganda machine gets away with publishing fantastic falsehoods,"

As do ALL the vile msm devils from hell. The entire msm in the world seem to be totally complicit in delivering twisted reporting, obfuscation and down right LIES!!! And they are ALL against Israel and Donald Trump ...coincidence???? I think not!

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Fuzzy Ashkenazim Don Spilman • 3 hours ago

Pierre Rehov produced a smoking-gun video on youtube called "Behind the smokescreen" This Jewish journalist got his hands on footage shot by the Gazans. Pray that Mr Danon has the opportunity to roll the video at the next UN assembly.

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Don Spilman Fuzzy Ashkenazim • 3 hours ago

Wow that would be great! I can sure pray in agreement.

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Fuzzy Ashkenazim • 15 hours ago

Ishmaelites, Edomites and Amalekites are three Biblical enemies of Israel that are alive and hell today. Come soon Messiah !

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Don Spilman Fuzzy Ashkenazim • 8 hours ago

"enemies of Israel that are alive and hell today. "
Freudian slip Fuzzy? good one..

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Mike Solomons • 5 hours ago

At what point will the international community realise it has been defrauded out of vast amounts of money, and start the process of reclaiming it?

It's an interesting thought - - -

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alpcns . • 42 minutes ago

I hope this guy Abd Al-Ghani has good security. Telling the (whole) truth is extremely dangerous in most Arab nations, and increasingly also in Western "progressive" circles.


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daized79 • 4 hours ago

I'm in favor of population transfer to Jordan.

I say that primarily to posit my bonafides. But while the was no such thing as a Palestinian-- Arab or Jew--until 1917, there were people living in villages in what became Palestine and what is now Israel.

Of course many more folks thatv'al themselves Palestinian came from neighboring lands. It was all within the ottoman empire for hundreds of years so no boundaries needed to be crossed. And other empires before that.

But sufficient numbers had been there long enough that it became more than a simple go back to where your grandparents came from by the time Israel was founded. It's a complex issue. Of course those calling themselves Palestinian now recognizing historical reality is a good step though. But we shouldn't think historical reality is a panacea that makes the Palestinian arabs disappear.

By the way does anybody know the context of Hamas saying that Gazans are Egyptian? Was that too curry favor with Egypt? Of course it also points out that there are differences between Gazans origins and the arabs of the west bank.



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Luiz Felipe Haddad • 10 hours ago

Of course, there was not a Palestinian State before Balfour's Declaration. But the region was inhabited by Arabs and Jews, what happens till nowadays.
Israel, thanks God, became an independent State in 1948 because of UNO's decision in 1947 on the scope of creating Two States in Holy Land.
Israel has been attacked and has won the wars, no doubt about it. One circumstance is clear, however. The cited territory belongs to both the people. Frontiers before 1967 ought to be changed in order to secure Israel, Arab Palestine must be a demilitarized State, Arab quarters in J.lem have to be autonomous under Israeli sovereignty. Present "status quo" needs to be mantained while there is not a good peace's agreement. But never accept, Israeli brothers and sisters, radical proposals for annexing Judea/Samaria ( or West Bank). On the contrary, you will harm very much the humanistic principles shared by your Founding Fathers. God bless you always.


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AlfaBravo Luiz Felipe Haddad • 5 hours ago

Annex Judea and Samaria. Arabs should go to Arab countries. Enough is enough

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Vijayakumar Samuel Luiz Felipe Haddad • 6 hours ago

The inherent hatred of the Jews by the Arab( Muslim ) community will not accept Israeli sovereignty, nor are they ready to accept defined borders, they don't want Israeli presence there.

Reverse time your history to pre 1917,during ottoman rule where were the Palestinians they weren't there,

The UN decision of 1947 is not a creation of new state but a recognition of the desolate land renamed as Palestine belonging to the Jewish people who have been hounded out of many different countries by their neighbors Britain which was keen to reward the Mufti of Mecca created Jordan,propped him up as the King by training an army to prevent take over by the local Bedouins should have moved the so called indigenous Palestinian people to Jordan then and there because all of them are Arabs, they didn't because they weren't there, instead they chose to allow fresh immigration of Arabs, Muslims but prevented the descendants( progeny) of the original inhabitants of the land.The only solution to this problem is give a choice to the Palestinians, live under Israeli sovereignty, if you do then disarm, else

just get out of the way to any where they can including any Arab country.

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