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This is where the British government is headed under new Prime Minister Gordon Brown: British parliamentarians soften demands on Hamas.


British parliamentarians on Monday softened their demands for negotiating with Hamas and said that while it is critical for the group to renounce violence, it does not necessarily need to recognize Israel for preliminary contact to be established with the European Union, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

In a report to be published on Tuesday, a subcommittee of the House of Lords’ European Union Committee said that the EU should avoid an “undesirably rigid” approach to dealing with Hamas that would risk undermining progress in building viable and democratic Palestinian institutions, a prerequisite, they say, for any peace settlement.
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This is where the British government is headed under new Prime Minister Gordon Brown: British parliamentarians soften demands on Hamas.

British parliamentarians on Monday softened their demands for negotiating with Hamas and said that while it is critical for the group to renounce violence, it does not necessarily need to recognize Israel for preliminary contact to be established with the European Union, The Jerusalem Post has learned.
In a report to be published on Tuesday, a subcommittee of the House of Lords’ European Union Committee said that the EU should avoid an “undesirably rigid” approach to dealing with Hamas that would risk undermining progress in building viable and democratic Palestinian institutions, a prerequisite, they say, for any peace settlement.
typical of our labour government - talks a good fight but to scared to do anything, lets have another churchill or even a thatcher please!
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Default Let's launch a 'cultural offensive' against militant Islam, Brown tells Bush

From: Jihad Watch


This sounds great until one realizes that both Brown and Bush are in total denial about the deep roots of jihad and Islamic supremacism within Islamic theology and tradition. Can we really fight the war of ideas effectively while ignoring and denying the true nature of the conflict itself?

And then when you see what Brown is actually recommending, it just involves a further retreat from the ideological challenge the jihadists present. Instead of confronting that challenge and joining the battle, he is recommending that we ignore that jihadism represents a "cause" altogether, and treat it the way it was treated before 9/11, as a series of unrelated, distinct "crimes" that had no underlying unifying purpose or goal.

Imagine if the Allies had tried to fight World War II that way: instead of treating Nazism as an ideology and combatting it, imagine if they treated each German offensive in Europe as a separate "crime," not as part of any larger purpose, and offered outreach programs to Germans in the face of each "crime." How far might Hitler have gotten?
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Gordon Brown will use his first formal talks with George Bush to urge a massive cultural offensive against Islamic extremism. He is set to urge America to learn from the Cold War and mount a battle of ideas rather than rely on military might alone.

Ahead of his first formal talks with President Bush, he declared: "It is our shared task to expose terrorism for what it is - not a cause but a crime. A crime against humanity."
His words contrasted strongly with the Bush rhetoric of a "war against terror".

He emphasised the importance of winning with ideas and values rather than just bullets.

"We should remember that during the Cold War, the united front against Soviet communism involved deterrence through large arsenals of weapons and a cultural effort also on an unprecedented scale, deploying what Roosevelt called the 'arsenal of democracy'," he wrote in the Washington Post.
"Foundations, trusts, civil society and civic organisations - links and exchanges between schools, universities, museums, institutes, churches, trade unions, sports clubs, societies - were all engaged."
Yes, there was a lot of attempting to win hearts and minds. There was also a lot of clear-eyed confrontation of the Communist ideology. Where is today's Radio Free Europe, beaming anti-jihadist broadcasts into the Islamic world? Who would dare to establish it?
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Imagine the carnage to Western civilization and our support of Israel if the Democrats take power in the US next go-around. Nazi Pelosi is already trying to make any criticism of Islamic fanatics in this country a "hate crime". That's the problem with the left, they see Islamic jihad's terrorist crusade as one of "law and order" and not that of a 1500 year-old chauvinist ideology. No trait of personality more characterizes the Western left as does cowardice in the face of tyranny. Give them enough time, and future DNC conventions will be interrupted five times a day while they all haul out their prayer mats.

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yes. If today's democrats had ruled in 1776 we would still drink tea at 5pm and eat strange food while saluting our Queen.

If they had ruled in 1944, today half of our country would speak German and the other half Japanese and not a single Jew would be left on the earth.

If they rule in the coming years our daughters might wear burkhas some day.
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yes. If today's democrats had ruled in 1776 we would still drink tea at 5pm and eat strange food while saluting our Queen.

If they had ruled in 1944, today half of our country would speak German and the other half Japanese and not a single Jew would be left on the earth.

If they rule in the coming years our daughters might wear burkhas some day.
Actually, the Democrats were in power in 1944 and throughout WWII.
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Actually, the Democrats were in power in 1944 and throughout WWII.
He said, TODAY'S DEMOCRATS. Very big difference. The Democratic Party has changed a lot. They used to be the party that stood for liberty, hence the now-corrupted 'liberal' label. Thomas Jefferson was a Democrat. He rolls in his grave today.
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Exactly, I meant the Pelosis, Hillaries, Osamas and so on. Can you imagine any of them to stand up to Russia like Kennedy did? I can't.
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Imagine the carnage to Western civilization and our support of Israel if the Democrats take power in the US next go-around. Nazi Pelosi is already trying to make any criticism of Islamic fanatics in this country a "hate crime". That's the problem with the left, they see Islamic jihad's terrorist crusade as one of "law and order" and not that of a 1500 year-old chauvinist ideology. No trait of personality more characterizes the Western left as does cowardice in the face of tyranny. Give them enough time, and future DNC conventions will be interrupted five times a day while they all haul out their prayer mats.
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"The Greatest threat to Freedom and Democracy is neither Fascism nor Communism but is in fact the American Liberal. These people can justify anything."
You are wise beyond your years loganinkosovo.
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You are wise beyond your years loganinkosovo.
it's the same over the pond in good old blighty! i can't remember the exact phrase but it's something like "a politician is the man that feeds the lion ,hoping that the lion will eat him last"
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One in 11 British Muslims backs suicide bombers, says Brown aide

Yes, winning hearts and minds is going to be tough. But why does Brown assume that if Muslims support suicide bombing, it is because of something that the British have done and can thus undo? What if the support for suicide bombing comes from imperatives within Islam?

By James Slack in the Daily Mail (thanks to Hot Air):
As many as one in 11 British Muslims agree with and proactively support terrorism, a Government adviser has warned police.

Haras Rafiq also told officers at Scotland Yard that up to 20 per cent of the Muslim population ' sympathise' with militants, while stopping short of being prepared to 'blow themselves up'.

His remarks underline the scale of the task facing Gordon Brown to win the hearts and minds of Muslims, only a week after he promised an extra £70million to councils and community groups to fight extremism.

Mr Rafiq, an adviser to the Government's preventing extremism taskforce, said: "A percentage of people actually agree and support proactively the people that are deciding to blow themselves up.

"It varies, it can be 7 per cent, 5 per cent, 9 per cent."
With 1.6million Muslims living in the UK, nine per cent is the equivalent of 144,000 people supporting terrorism.
'Proactively' supporting terrorism is understood to mean the people are vocal in their support for fanatics, rather than actively helping them to commit atrocities.
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Default Ten questions for 10 out of 11 British Muslims

As many as one in 11 British Muslims agree with and proactively support terrorism, a Government adviser [himself a Muslim] has warned police.

Haras Rafiq also told officers at Scotland Yard that up to 20 per cent of the Muslim population ' sympathise' with militants, while stopping short of being prepared to 'blow themselves up.' -- from this article

Of course this number is a guess, but it is not a guess to call it the absolute minimum. I suspect it is a gross underestimate. But in any case it is not the only question to be asked. Other questions to be asked include:

1) Do those 10 out of 11 British Muslims who do not "proactively support terrorism" actively denounce it? Do they work with the police? Are they eager to do whatever they can to protect their fellow (though Infidel) citizens? Are they going all out to work against, on every occasion, that "1 out of every 11" who are not true-blue citizens?

2) How many of those "10 out of 11 British Muslims" believe that all obstacles to the spread of Islam, including the legal and political institutions created over many centuries by the non-Muslims, the Infidels, of what is now Great Britain, should be dismantled, and that Islam, by right, should dominate everywhere, and Muslims, by right, should everywhere rule, as they do now in Dar al-Islam? Or do those people who identify themselves as Muslims in fact simply not believe the main tenets of Islam, and the worldview that divides us all into two categories: Believers and Infidels?

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Yes, winning hearts and minds is going to be tough. But why does Brown assume that if Muslims support suicide bombing, it is because of something that the British have done and can thus undo? What if the support for suicide bombing comes from imperatives within Islam?
It something That Britts have done or precisly speaking don't have done yet...
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