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Old 01-10-2007, 10:28 AM
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if I believe the existance of Israel does that make me a Zionist ?

I don't really agree some of Israel's policy ( currently reading Ariel Sharon: a life ) but I believe most of Israeli are not expanionist. Remember the disengagement in Gaza? many Israeli has good well.
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Old 01-10-2007, 10:43 AM
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zionism as reported in the media is a myth.what is zionism? check out the bible , it will explain that zionism is the relationship between God, his people of zion,his holy mountain zion and his land of zion . it defines the relationship between God and what He calls his own.not some kind of world domination! modern zionism came into force at the start of the 20th century as a desire to return to zion ( israel and God )
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zionism as reported in the media is a myth.what is zionism? check out the bible , it will explain that zionism is the relationship between God, his people of zion,his holy mountain zion and his land of zion . it defines the relationship between God and what He calls his own.not some kind of world domination! modern zionism came into force at the start of the 20th century as a desire to return to zion ( israel and God )
..zionism is (was) a political agenda to establish a Jewish state. Now that there is a jewish state, most interpretations describe current zionism as support for the jewish state. Although socialists and muslims interpret it as behind-the-scenes world government, strongly supported by the talking lizards and the Hitler moon base.
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Old 01-10-2007, 01:34 PM
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the u.s. state department must be planning to land on the moon base then as they like to supply 3 times as much arms and technology to the arabs as they do to israel,calling it a balance of power! yeh right , the arabs out gun the israeli's by 10 to 1 and this is called a balance of power !!!thankfully God still classes israel ( zion ) as the apple of His eye otherwise this forum wouldn't exist as neither would israel.the media think israel is strong because of america but the only true effect it has is to stop israel marching into Damascus as in 1973
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Old 01-19-2007, 10:32 PM
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Zionism is not a religious movement. It is a nationalism movement, powered by diaspora Jew people. The objective is to build their own homeland. They are interprete Torah for that so it look like a religious movement.

That's why lot of Judah rabbi reject it.
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Old 01-20-2007, 08:43 AM
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Zionism is not a religious movement. It is a nationalism movement, powered by diaspora Jew people. The objective is to build their own homeland. They are interprete Torah for that so it look like a religious movement.

That's why lot of Judah rabbi reject it.
modern zionism was started by many non-religious Jews for instance T.Herzl. They are " hiloni" non-religious.

I was told that some religious Jews reject the idea is because they believe Israel should only exist when the Miessiah arrive.
Some other rabbi interperated Miessiah's arrival is a process steps by steps, slowy coming to earth.
Some " extreme " religious people- the expanionist- 's idea of Israel cover bigger ground than the area Israel has control over right now. The great Israel kingdom. The old Israel actually consist of two part the North " Israel" the south "Judea"
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Old 02-03-2007, 09:30 PM
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Well…without Zionism, Israel state will never born. I think it’s more like a national movement ( nationalism ) than a religious one. I already know about all the conspiracy theory behind the zionism, myth or fact istill can’t figure out. Maybe i still need some more research and investigation.


But I think the people has become overestimate about Zionism, cause the fact is Zionism and Israel is NOT AS STRONG AS THEY TOLD. They can’t wipe out PLO backdays and now can’t win either versus Hizbo.


Zionism same as central power in others ideology. In Islam there is Caliphatism, in Comunnism there are internazionale, in Chatolic there are papacy and so on. So what is the big deal ?


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the bulk of modern jewery have no semetic ancestry at all............

The large majority of surviving Jews in the world are of Eastern European descent - and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the volga, not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, uigur, and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob".

ARTHUR KOESTLER "THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE" page 17


Well I am still reading this theory ( not finish yet ), but I think is quite possible. This theory is challenge for Israel & Jew claims about the promised land. If it’s true that Askenazim’s Jewry are descendent of Khazar so the claims is broken. The Palestinian-Arabic has the right to claim it, cause they are descendent from Aramaic, Phoenicians, Egyptian, Moabite, Assyrian, Persian and even the Philistine people that more connect to Canaan ancient history.


About wiping out Israel, it’s too naif. All people in the world have right to live. The only thing wipe is the violence and war. If the hatred could be removed we can live side by side, what ever our faith and believe. The answer of this problem…you can read it at my siggy…
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Old 02-03-2007, 11:37 PM
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Israel can wipe out the PLO and hizbo with one fell swoop Uriah, we just glorify life as opposed to arabs who glorify death, so israel tries to carry out missions with out commiting genocide like the arabs want to do to the jews.
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Old 02-04-2007, 12:19 AM
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Got any proof ? Or just hoax ?
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Old 02-04-2007, 12:34 AM
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Got any proof ? Or just hoax ?
of? Israels ability to destroy all its enemies?
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html
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hm, I think discussions like this are pretty useless, but just for the fun of it, let's assume that the first post in this thread is correct: Israel really goes for world domination and in a few years the whole world would look like Israel. Hm. Would it be that bad? In Israel people enjoy a very high standard of living, they own cars, air conditioners, cellphones, many own homes, lots of them travel, they have internet access, they have gorgeous women who are not being imprisoned behind walls and burkhas, they have hospitals and doctors enough for everyone to be covered by a health system, nobody starves to death, ...

If I look at the current state of the world, I really believe a vast majority of the people in the world would love live like the Israelis do. So, Israeli world domination is not really a threat, is it? :) :)
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You got that right brother!
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Old 02-10-2007, 12:04 AM
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hm, I think discussions like this are pretty useless, but just for the fun of it, let's assume that the first post in this thread is correct: Israel really goes for world domination and in a few years the whole world would look like Israel. Hm. Would it be that bad? In Israel people enjoy a very high standard of living, they own cars, air conditioners, cellphones, many own homes, lots of them travel, they have internet access, they have gorgeous women who are not being imprisoned behind walls and burkhas, they have hospitals and doctors enough for everyone to be covered by a health system, nobody starves to death, ...

If I look at the current state of the world, I really believe a vast majority of the people in the world would love live like the Israelis do. So, Israeli world domination is not really a threat, is it? :) :)


Well then not just have to Zionism then. All other ideology have that condition for purpose, include Chaliphatism or Internationalism. So why have to Zionism ? Well people are afraid of Zionism for some reason right ? It’s not make any sense for them to afraid of Zionism without any reason. Maybe Zionism have some thing mischievous behind it that other people know nothing of ???
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Uriah, your conspiracy theories are getting tiring. How can 14,000,000 people conspire together to "rule the world". It's idiotic, moronic, racist jargen like that, that causes the spread of hate. Nobody but arabs are afraid of Zionism. And yes, people are only afraid if they have a reason. but who says that reason has any logical foundation. I know arabs who believe the blood liables are true. It's a propaganda machine to incite hate. Anyways, being a very hard-line right wing zionist myself, I can say with great confidence that there is no grand conspiracy to take over the world. All us Zionists want is peace and Israel. We have Israel, so its the arabs turn to make a move.
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Uriah, here is food for tought. I am an American Christian Zionist and have been since 1971.
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Hm, I could care less about Zionism since I am neither Jew nor Israeli. But I like to judge things by the merits. So, for one thing, if tomorrow I would have to live in one middle eastern country, but I could choose in which one, then the choice is easy: only Israel offers some kind of democracy, freedom and high standard of living. All its neighbors offer much less. So, if it was Zionism which created that country, then it has done something right.

Next, the conspiracy theory. People seem to love these theories, however if you look at reality, they never hold up. So the Jews, or the Zionists, want to rule the world? Then one big question arises: how can they even dream of ruling the world when they are not even able to rule Israel without creating a mess? I am referring to the corruption scandals, the bickering multi-mini-party coalitions and all the other exciting realities of Israeli political life.

I am not saying that Israeli politicians are worse than those of other countries, but as long as they are so imperfect I am not afraid that they ever will rule the world. And the same can be said about politicians in other countries. So, where is that big threatening Zionist conspiracy? Even if we would assume that Bill Clinton and George Bush jr. were parts of the Zionist conspiracy, the same question remains: if that's the best the conspiracy can produce, I won't be afraid. :)

On the other hand, there is a conspiracy aiming to take over the world, and its name is Islam. And that worries me much more. So give me a Zionist any day.

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Uriah, your conspiracy theories are getting tiring. How can 14,000,000 people conspire together to "rule the world". It's idiotic, moronic, racist jargen like that, that causes the spread of hate. Nobody but arabs are afraid of Zionism.



Correction ! Not just arab are aware of Zionist total global domination. There are Ku Klux Klan, WASP, Vatican-Catholics, NAZI-Neo Nazi, Punk Society, Anarcho-Sindycalist, Red-Black Flag and ofcourse Islam World. See how much that aware of Zionism ? Its almost two third of world population !!!


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Of what ? The Ismael descendent ?


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Uriah, here is food for tought. I am an American Christian Zionist and have been since 1971.



So what ? And I see that u are enjoying your life in US ( Arkansas ) right ? The real Zionist are in the frontline in Israel facing Hizbo and Hamas. So u got big mouth there buddy ( or just chicken wuss ) !


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then the choice is easy: only Israel offers some kind of democracy, freedom and high standard of living.



Wew not just in Israel then, we can live in Switzerland, France, German, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, England or America. And what is the proof Israel got high standart living ? Israel have no resource such as oil, gold mining, industrial or crops. Israel can live only by America’s aid ( beggar ? ).


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So, where is that big threatening Zionist conspiracy? Even if we would assume that Bill Clinton and George Bush jr. were parts of the Zionist conspiracy, the same question remains: if that's the best the conspiracy can produce, I won't be afraid. :)



Conspiracy that creating CAPITALISM ? Turning word to unbalance prosperity ? Robbing third world’s resource ? Make them poor ? Creating third world into place containg poverty, starve, non-educated or being HAVE-NOT ?


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On the other hand, there is a conspiracy aiming to take over the world, and its name is Islam. And that worries me much more. So give me a Zionist any day.



Prejudice eh ? Brainwashed eh ? Pro-Bush eh ?
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On the other hand, there is a conspiracy aiming to take over the world, and its name is Islam. And that worries me much more. So give me a Zionist any day.
No, there's a difference. A conspiracy is a clandestine effort with its members made secret and its goals concealed. Islamic ideology is very clear on this issue (Dar al-Harb, dhimmi, etc etc etc), and spotting a member of the ummah in a crowd doesn't exactly require glasses.

Don't call it a conspiracy, it merely serves to discredit those who see Islam for what it is and put them in the same box as the ZOGers and the 'Truthers'.

Even this guy, something as appalling as a Muslim convert, realizes what it's all about through history and his interpretation of Islam.

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When I attend the annual conferences of the Egyptian High Islamic Council, I run into Muslims from Japan, the Ukraine, Venezuela and Colombia, Canada and Argentina, Korea and Finland, Sweden and South Africa. The cultural plurality there is such that I once counted 47 different head gears, i.e. 47 ways in which men covered their heads.
These nations have never been considered Islamic countries. But had Iran been considered potentially to be an Islamic country before it became Muslim, or Afghanistan, or Turkey, or Morocco, or India? If they were able to turn into Muslim countries after having been for centuries Christian or Hindu or Zoroastrian, why not one day Denmark or Portugal?

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Uriah, here is food for tought. I am an American Christian Zionist and have been since 1971.


Ditto me to,and I have faced persecution for it and will lose my job now in the USAF.... Howevermost the US military is pro Israel I just got unlucky and opened my big mouth.
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They control the WORLD!

If we dont stop zionism, they will conquer everything from Marocco to Iran, and then latter, world domination!

Israel MUST be wiped of the map!


You must be a kid asking for attention
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