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Personally, and this will come out quite harsh maybe, but I believe a nice and good carpet bombing of certain Lebanese areas where Hezbollah hides weapons and trains militants would do alot of good like it did in 2006, despite what Hezbollah says, its military capabilities was reduced during the Lebanon II war in 2006. Forget winning hearts and minds, Hezbollah has neither heart nor do they have minds, they are braindead, and love only themselves, and many Lebanese people have no brains if they continue to support Hezbollah.
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I was being sarcastic, about the poor innocent German population !

Of course, the Norden Bombsight, is not the same as a 500 pound bomb with a JDAM kit.

I am amazed about the commitment of all the civilians, who were involved in WW II. Today, in Afghanistan, countries have pulled out, after suffering a handful of casualties. I do not see much commitment from the West, in fighting ruthless fundamentalist Islamic terror - aside from Israel and the USA.

Its good that you cleared that up. You had me going there for a minute.
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Personally, and this will come out quite harsh maybe, but I believe a nice and good carpet bombing of certain Lebanese areas where Hezbollah hides weapons and trains militants would do alot of good like it did in 2006, despite what Hezbollah says, its military capabilities was reduced during the Lebanon II war in 2006. Forget winning hearts and minds, Hezbollah has neither heart nor do they have minds, they are braindead, and love only themselves, and many Lebanese people have no brains if they continue to support Hezbollah.

Hezbollah will disperse their weapons and fighters. They want Israel to come to S. Lebanon. Hezbollah will be waiting. Like the V.C., during the Vietnam War, they will go underground in bomb-proof tunnels and wait out the Israeli airstrikes.

The Hezbollah fortifications, should be cut-off from resupply. The IDF should use flame-throwers. We cannot be tactically successful, unless the IDF is sent to large areas of S. Lebanon. Sidon and other areas of Hezbollah's presence should be demolished.
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Hezbollah will disperse their weapons and fighters. They want Israel to come to S. Lebanon. Hezbollah will be waiting. Like the V.C., during the Vietnam War, they will go underground in bomb-proof tunnels and wait out the Israeli airstrikes.

The Hezbollah fortifications, should be cut-off from resupply. The IDF should use flame-throwers. We cannot be tactically successful, unless the IDF is sent to large areas of S. Lebanon. Sidon and other areas of Hezbollah's presence should be demolished.
GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) Direct Strike Hard Target Weapon / Big BLU http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...itions/mop.htm and its smaller cousin the Guided Bomb Unit-28 (GBU-28) bomb is designed to penetrate hardened targets before exploding, capable of penetrating 100 feet of earth or 20 feet of concrete makes the term bomb-proof a nonstarter http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ons/gbu-28.htm. Also use of some MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb) http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...tions/moab.htm will spoil their day also. The concussive shock wave from these weapons can kill as well as the massive blast effects. They will shatter concrete and cause crushing type death beyond their standard blast area.




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Hezbollah will disperse their weapons and fighters. They want Israel to come to S. Lebanon. Hezbollah will be waiting. Like the V.C., during the Vietnam War, they will go underground in bomb-proof tunnels and wait out the Israeli airstrikes.

The Hezbollah fortifications, should be cut-off from resupply. The IDF should use flame-throwers. We cannot be tactically successful, unless the IDF is sent to large areas of S. Lebanon. Sidon and other areas of Hezbollah's presence should be demolished.
Yeah I know, Hezbollahs tactics both their pr and fighting tactics are always done guerilla style. Was just wishful thinking on my side, lol, but if there is a war, the carpet bombing must be done, sendng ground troops must be avoided.

After the carpet bombing, then assasinations of hezbollah leaders, that will ofcourse enrage hezbollah supporters and militants, and thats when hezbollah will make mistakes, because hiding and waiting for the IDF will no longer be good enough, they will need to go and carry missions against Israel, other wise they will look weak, and their anger will be very strong. Once they begin attacks on Israel, then they will become easy targets, they will be caught, and those caught wil lead the IDF back to their bases, and then we will see some massive elimination of Hezbollahs militants.

Israel secret services, should then go on a never ending elimination of hezbollah leaders, until hezbollah will have no choice but to go simply nuts, like roaches on poison, jumping back and forth, up and down, then we squash them nice and good, and dump them in the garbage can!
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Yeah I know, Hezbollahs tactics both their pr and fighting tactics are always done guerilla style. Was just wishful thinking on my side, lol, but if there is a war, the carpet bombing must be done, sendng ground troops must be avoided.

After the carpet bombing, then assasinations of hezbollah leaders, that will ofcourse enrage hezbollah supporters and militants, and thats when hezbollah will make mistakes, because hiding and waiting for the IDF will no longer be good enough, they will need to go and carry missions against Israel, other wise they will look weak, and their anger will be very strong. Once they begin attacks on Israel, then they will become easy targets, they will be caught, and those caught wil lead the IDF back to their bases, and then we will see some massive elimination of Hezbollahs militants.

Israel secret services, should then go on a never ending elimination of hezbollah leaders, until hezbollah will have no choice but to go simply nuts, like roaches on poison, jumping back and forth, up and down, then we squash them nice and good, and dump them in the garbage can!

I hope you are correct. If not, in another few years, we will have another rebuilt Hezbollah, with even more deadly weapons.
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My fear is that the Hezbollah will shoot rockets to our civilians like they shot a hospital in Haifa in 2006.
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Times: Syria using secret bases to arm Hezbollah with Israel-targeting missiles

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Israel is likely to send a "calibrated signal" to Hezbollah and Syria by launching a precise airstrike against a weapons convoy are increasing, the Times of London reported Friday, following reports of Israeli plans to bomb a Syrian arms convey as it crossed the border into Lebanon. The Israeli strike was reportedly called off at the last minute.

Friday's report covered tensions in the region, and cited satellite images of secret arms depots in Syria, in which surface-to-surface missiles destined for Hezbollah are stored. The report said the Times has been shown images of one such site, located in a compound near the town of Adra, northeast of Damascus. The site reportedly includes living quarters for Hezbollah fighters, arms sheds and a fleet of trucks used for transferring weapons. The facility is believed to be one of several used as a base for weapons deliveries.

“Hezbollah is allowed to operate this site freely,” a security source told the paper. “They often move the arms in bad weather when Israeli satellites are unable to track them.” The weapons in question are either of Syrian origin, or are delivered from Iran by sea or by air. A UN report obtained by the AP indicated that North Korea is supplying nuclear and other military technology in large quantities to Syria and Iran.

It was recently reported that Syria transferred Scud missiles to the Shiite organization. The Times report claims that only two missiles were transferred, which American and Israeli intelligence sources believe have been stored in underground bunkers in the Bekaa Valley. In light of the tight surveillance, one source said that Hezbollah may be considering returning the missiles.

Earlier this month, Yossi Baidatz, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence research department, said the recent transfer of arms to Hezbollah was just the "tip of the iceberg." The Times confirmed this ***essment, reporting that the M-600 missiles Hezbollah posses grant the organization unprecedented accuracy that threatens strategic facilities inside Israel.

After the Israeli strike on one of the arms convoys was called off, reportedly around the time of Hezbollah chief H***an Nasrallah's visit to Damascus along with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Israel depended on American diplomatic efforts to put an end to the deliveries. But according to Western intelligence sources, the failure of these efforts increase the chances of a targeted Israeli attack against a weapons warehouse or delivery.

John Kerry, head of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, visited Damascus several times in recent months, and reportedly urged Syrian President Bashar ***ad to halt the flow or weapons to Lebanon. ***ad denied the allegations, and Western officials privately said the Syrian president is "flat out lying" about the weapons transfer to Hezbollah....
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Arrow 'Hizbullah has missile base in Syria'

'Hizbullah has missile base in Syria'


Satellite photos show that Hizbullah terrorists have been living in armed bases stocked with surface-to-surface missiles in Syria, The Times of London reported Friday

The photos show the Hizbullah members moving freely at a base in the Syrian city of Adra, near Damascus.

The Syrian government has denied that the bases are being used by Hizbullah, claiming they are for Syrian military use only.

In the beginning of April , Kuwait’s Al-Rai newspaper reported that Syria had transferred Scud ballistic missiles to Hizbullah. Israel subsequently issued a stern warning that it would consider attacking both Syrian and Lebanese targets in response to a Scud attack on its territory.

Last month, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein warned that Hizbullah had acquired Scud missiles....

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A couple more news items from this past week that should likewise remind us that the next Lebanon War is only a matter of time.

One is a news item from the Lebanese government, claiming that their armed forces fired on two Israeli warplanes over southern Lebanon.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...f-country.html

The Lebanese government has done exactly zero to prevent Hezbollah from being resupplied by Syria. The only time that this turtle feels safe to come out of its shell is when they claim to have fired on Israeli aircraft. Who knows, maybe they fired at Israeli fighter planes, maybe at Israeli drones. Maybe they didn't fire anything at all. More likely is that they fired into the air at an indescrimanate direction. The bottom line is that the Lebanese government is doing nothing to prevent the next clash between Israel and Hezbollah from taking place - and they need to be held accountable for their inaction.

The second news item was an article in Defense News which claims that the IDF is currently preparing for a much wider scale war in Lebanon than the 2006 confrontation that saw Hezbollah pounded by the Israeli air force, but for which the ground campaign was indecisive.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...75&c=FEA&s=CVS
It also would include attacks on national infrastructure; a total maritime blockade; and interdiction strikes on bridges, highways and other smuggling routes along the Syrian border with Syria. Meanwhile, land forces would execute a ferocious land grab well beyond the Litani River that Israeli brigades belatedly hobbled toward yet failed to reach in the last war.

Finally, Israel would consider the kind of targeted killings that it now executes only in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.

"Today, we're looking at people. In parallel to everything else, we're talking about leaders, political and military. This, too, will earn us added deterrence," a senior Israel Defense Forces (IDF) officer said.

That's a path that would put Israel on a collision course with the Lebanese Army, the country's economy and other U.S.- and internationally-supported institutions and symbols of Lebanese sovereignty. Israeli troops would be likely to clash with U.S.-trained and -equipped units of the Lebanese Armed Forces. They would undermine, if not obliterate, a government whose prime minister received renewed commitments of U.S. support in a May 24 White House visit.

Yet Israeli officials, in public statements and interviews over several months, indicated that unless the Lebanese government or the international community disarms Hizbollah, they believe such a war may become inevitable.

"The main responsibility lies with the Lebanese government," Defense Minister Ehud Barak told a gathering of Jewish leaders in April. "And the government of Lebanon will be held accountable if [the situation] deteriorates."

Israeli officials say they are not seeking to initiate the next round in the north. But they also said that the fact that Hizbollah is now a prominent part of the Beirut government - the party controls one-third of the members of the cabinet of Prime Minister Saad Hariri - means they will have a freer hand to implement war plans drafted but never formally proposed nor authorized during the summer 2006 Lebanon War.

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According to Israeli military and defense sources, a future war in Lebanon would involve much more than the three divisions initially planned for the last war, and far more than the 10 percent of Israel Air Force capabilities that fought in the 34-day campaign.

And in contrast to the flawed execution and ambiguous outcome of the last war, even the most humbled of military leaders have begun to use words like game-changing, decisiveness - even victory - to describe a prospective third Lebanon War.

"We will make full use of all our unique advantages and understand that by adapting all our capabilities to the other side's irregular use of the conventional tools of warfare … we can push on to victory," said Maj. Gen. Benjamin Gantz, IDF deputy chief of general staff.
As many of us are aware, Hezbollah has become the favored surrogate for Iran's ayatollah's. The next Lebanon War has become a matter of "when", not "if'.
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This may sound like the ramblings of a conspiracy nut however I don’t believe in coincidences. I find it hard to believe North Korea has picked this time to fan the threat of war that the “flotilla” happens by coincidence. We know North Korea has been coordinating and assisting Syria and Iran in developing a nuclear weapon. Now all this saber rattling from the Islamists and North Korea at the same time? I see it as trying to distract the world and the USA with multiple threats so as to divide and conquer through threats, intimidation, and the West’s fear of war on two fronts and an oil loss from the Middle East. It is designed to cause the world including the Americans to pressure Israel into making decisions detrimental to its survival and strengthening Islamist positions around Israel for another massive surprise attack on multiple fronts by the Arab Muslims nations that surround Israel.
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As I understand it, there is ground-invading radar that can penetrate underground bunkers, is there not? Why not tie-in this radar from satellites with ground based missiles with bunker penetration capability and bombers with JDAMs that can wipe out these bunkers?

Also, israel will have to do 2 things:

1-enter the iranian embassy this time if they want to extract the hezboolah criminal leadership

2-early on paratroop drop a few battalions along the Syrian border to stop the flow of weapons and keep the hez leadership from escaping into syria.
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This may sound like the ramblings of a conspiracy nut however I don’t believe in coincidences. I find it hard to believe North Korea has picked this time to fan the threat of war that the “flotilla” happens by coincidence.
Good thinking - just the wrong diversion.

As soon as I saw this headline, I knew what was really going on, Turkey was diverting on behalf of its new best friend, iran.

ww.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/world/middleeast/01nuke.html

U.N. Says Iran Has Fuel for 2 Nuclear Weapons
By DAVID E. SANGER and WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: May 31, 2010

WASHINGTON — In their last report before the United Nations Security Council votes on sanctions against Iran, international nuclear inspectors declared Monday that Iran has now produced a stockpile of nuclear fuel that experts say would be enough, with further enrichment, to make two nuclear weapons.

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This came out on Monday - THE SAME DAY the flotilla crisis erupted. With the murderous filth of iran, there are NO coincidences.

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I hope you are correct. If not, in another few years, we will have another rebuilt Hezbollah, with even more deadly weapons.
What will happen after that is beyond my control, there are so many haters of Israel in that area, yes they could rebuild, work together and stuff, but all I am saying is during a war, what can we do, fold our arms? no we must do whatever is smartest to attack them, yes it isnt easy at all, they all live together like roaches, they all are sly and will make a cry baby PR stunt that Israelis are killing civilians, well what can I do, they all live together.

Sending in IDF troops is suicide for the troops, and unfair! IDF troops arent even volunteers corps, they are there serving their country, but it is unfair to send them where we know the enemy are guerillas and will do everything to get a hundred Gilad Shalits, and kill the rest. If anyone ned to suffer it is the Lebanese for not doing enough to rid themselves of these terrorists!

Like I said, if Hezbollah attacks Israel again, Israel should carpet bomb those suckers nice and good, even if it means civilians will die by the thousands, maybe then there will be a world war, where Israel can then nuclear bomb the entire middle east and get done with it! I would be the first to applaud and say bravo!
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Iran, Syria, Lebanon and now Turkey may all be acting as one. Don't look for the Appeaser and Chef Obama to actas he is not a leader and couldn’t care less if Israel was destroyed.
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Obama has been wishing deep down inside that Israel is put out of the way, he also wishes America was more and more a muslim country, that way he and his kind would take over and make America a friend to arab nations. His kind means leftwing socialists, in other words more of a communist, and dont think he wants to allow freedoms, no way the first thing removed in a communist state is freedom. Even the real social liberals ought to stand against his kind, he will remove their rights aswell.
Anyway come 2012 will be a chance for Americans to correct a wrong, or make ot worse, and if they make it worse, then the Mayan predicition will come true, the world as we know it, will end, and a new era of injustice an tryanny will begin!

Lets not be so excited for the coming November elections, Obama might lose considerable power by having a conservative take over in congress, but that will only give him more sympathy from many by the time we reach 2012, and he might even win by a landslide! Right now, the WhiteHouse has become the NutHouse, all of it democratically! Sickening.
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