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Lightbulb How muslims justify killing other muslims

Dismantling another apologia in defense of Islam.
By Raymond Ibrahim

Originally published by PJ Media (

Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

Those who claim that terrorism committed in the name of Islam has “nothing to do with Islam” received much ostensible fodder by way of the recent spate of terrorist attacks in Bangladesh, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia in the closing days of Ramadan. Because these three countries are overwhelmingly Muslim majority, the talking heads are now sure of it: the terrorists are just that—terrorists who have nothing to do with the religion of Islam, which in fact bans the indiscriminate slaughter of fellow Muslims. Consider the following outpouring of “told you Islam wasn’t responsible for terrorism” as compiled by Robert Spencer (

Maher Zain, a Multi Platinum-winning singer and songwriter who is Muslim, wrote on Twitter ( to his 1.47 million followers: “Still need proof that ISIS is the foremost enemy of Islam? They attack the Prophet’s City. Terror knows no religion!” Boxer Amir Khantweeted ( to his 1.75 million followers: “The attack in our beloved Prophet Muhammad’s city Madinah proves that Isis has no religion!” The UK Muslim broadcaster Mohammed Shafiq ( wrote: “The attack on #Madinah ( was an attack against all Muslims.”

After Islamic State jihadists screaming “Allahu akbar” murdered ( twenty hostages at the Holey Artisan Bakery in Dhaka on the night of July 1, the serially deceptive ( Islamic apologist Qasim Rashid tweeted: “In #Ramadan (’s final 10 days, Daesh has mass murdered dozens in three Muslim majority nations Please tell me more about how Islamic they are.” In another tweet, he included a photo captioned: “So you’re telling me they killed Muslims during Ramadan and you still blame Islam? Are you that incompetent or that bigoted?” To that, Rashid added: “Likewise, how I feel when I hear Islamophobes claim Islam was somehow behind the #DhakaAttack (”

Echoing Rashid was no less illustrious a personage than Bangladesh’s Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, who insisted ( “Anyone who believes in religion cannot do such act. They do not have any religion, their only religion is terrorism.”

Speaking after the San Bernardino ( terror attack that left 14 dead, U.S. president Obama—who also insists that the Islamic State “is not Islamic (”—agreed ( with the above sentiments: “ISIL does not speak for Islam. They are thugs and killers, part of a cult of death… Moreover, the vast majority of terrorist victims around the world are Muslim.”

Is that the case? Is it that simple?

In fact, from the start of Islam, Muslims have been relying on the same rationalizations to justify the slaughter of other Muslims.

First, it should be noted that the jihadis are aware that they should not randomly kill fellow Sunnis. This was the case in the Bangladesh attack. With police fire whizzing over their heads, the jihadis still managed to question their hostages, releasing those that could verify they were Muslim and killing those who could not. As documented here (, jihadis around the world—in Libya, Kenya, Mali, Nigeria—regularly follow the same protocol of separating Muslims from non-Muslims before slaughtering the latter. Thus the Bangladesh attack does not count.

As for the deliberate slaughter of fellow Muslims, it must be remembered that mainstream Sunni Islam—the world’s dominant strand of Islam which ISIS adheres to—views all non-Sunnis as false Muslims; at best, they are heretics who need to submit to the “true Islam” no less than the infidels. This is largely how Sunnis view Shias and vice versa—hence their perennial war. While Western talking heads tend to lump them together as “Muslims,” each group—especially the “radicals” among them, that is, the jihadis—views the other as enemies. (It’s only in recent times, as both groups plot against the West and Israel, that they occasionally cooperate.)

This is the logic behind the terror strikes in Karada, a Shia neighborhood in Iraq, and the bombing in Saudi Arabia’s Shia majority Qatif province; they were both undertaken under the same exact logic as when Christian minorities, or European, American, and Israeli citizens are attacked and killed: all are infidels who must either embrace the true faith, be subjugated, or die (

As for Sunni on Sunni violence, this is easily justified when one group engages in takfir, and thus denounces another group of being kafir—that is, non-Muslims, infidels, whose blood can be shed with impunity. Takfir has existed alongside Islam almost from its inception, beginning with the khawarij (Kharijites)—who denounced and slaughtered fellow Muslims for not following the letter of law—and was the primary rationale used to justify jihad between different Sunni nations and empires throughout the centuries.

This explains the attacks on the American (“infidel”) consulate in Jeddah. Jihadi groups regularly denounce the Saudi rulers of being apostates—not true Muslims—mostly for their close relationship with non-Muslim powers like America; this charge goes all the way back to Osama bin Laden, who, though radicalized by Saudi education, ended up denouncing the monarchy for allowing the U.S. military to be stationed in the Peninsula.

As for the attack near the prophet’s tomb in Medina—which seems like a direct attack on Islam itself—the fact is strict Islamic teaching (“Wahabbi” and “Salafi”) condemns and seeks to purge all tombs of prophets, which are seen as promoting shirk, the sin of sharing in Allah’s glory. [b]This is why the Saudi government itself has sought to destroy the prophet’s tomb (

Finally, what about those pious Sunnis who accidentally die during the jihad? These have long been rationalized away as “martyrs”—collateral damage—destined to enter Islam’s paradise. Indeed, the topic of fellow Sunnis being killed during the jihad has been widely addressed throughout the centuries. It received a thorough analysis by Al-Qaeda leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri in his essay, “Jihad, Martyrdom, and the Killing of Innocents” (The Al Qaeda Reader - , pgs. 137-171). After delineating how three of the four schools of Sunni jurisprudence—Hanafi, Shafi‘i, and Hanbali—do not forbid the accidental or inevitable killing of Muslims during the jihad, Zawahiri concluded:

The only thing mujahidin [jihadis] are specifically required to do, should they knowingly kill a Muslim [who is intermixed with the targeted infidels], is make atonement. Blood money, however, is a way out of the dispute altogether. Payment should be made only when there is a surplus of monies, which are no longer needed to fund the jihad. Again, this is only if their [Muslims] intermingling with the infidels is for a legitimate reason, such as business. And we assume that those who are killed are martyrs, and believe that what the Sheikh of Islam [Ibn Taymiyya] said about them applies: “[T]hose Muslims who are accidentally killed are martyrs; and the obligatory jihad should never be abandoned because it creates martyrs.”

In short, to Sunni jihadis, non-Sunnis are heretics and thus free game. As for fellow Sunnis who get in the way, they can be pronounced apostates and attacked accordingly. As for true Sunni Muslims, the jihadis should try to separate them from the intended infidel target—as happened in Bangladesh and elsewhere—but if they die accidentally, they are martyrs (“and the obligatory jihad should never be abandoned because it creates martyrs”).

The argument that jihadi organizations kill fellow Muslims proves nothing. Muslims have been slaughtering Muslims on any number of justifications and rationalizations from the start: So what can the open non-Muslim—such as the Western infidel—expect?
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There is no compulsion in Islam is the most ignored verse by Muslims, but the most repeated by the same Muslims to the west.

Another thing Muslims use alot to justify murder of fellow Muslims is simply accuse someone you dont like for "Blasphemy" or "Apostasy"!
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Yes even the most moderate Muslim nations have use this and the foolish herd of countrymen and women in each place will simply believe anything an Imam or even a stranger say. Look what happened in Pakistan recently and in Mauritania among other places.
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Could a student's death change Pakistan's blasphemy laws?

By Secunder Kermani
BBC News, Mardan
23 April 2017

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People demonstrate after the killing Mashal Khan, accused of blasphemy, by a mob at Abdul Wali Khan University in Mardan, during a protest in Peshawar, Pakistan 14 April 2017Image copyrightREUTERS
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The mob killing has shocked many in Pakistan
The brutal mob killing of a university student who was accused of committing blasphemy has caused outrage in Pakistan.

The country has strict and controversial blasphemy laws - which human rights groups say are often used to unfairly target religious minorities or settle personal scores. Could this case prove a turning point?
Who was Mashal Khan?

Mashal Khan was a 26-year-old student of journalism at the Abdul Wali Khan University in the northern city of Mardan.

He described himself on Facebook as a humanist and his social media postings reveal a young man interested in promoting women's rights and opposing racism.

His room on the university campus was decorated with posters of Che Guevara and Karl Marx, as well as slogans such as "Freedom is the right of every individual".

Media captionMashal Khan was killed by a mob of fellow students on campus
Why was he killed?

On 13 April 2017 a mob of hundreds of students marched through the university campus chanting religious slogans as they searched for Mashal Khan.

It is not clear what exactly triggered their accusations of blasphemy. A Reuters report quoted a caretaker at the hostel as saying the previous day Mr Khan had been involved in a heated debate on religion with other students.

A friend of Mashal Khan's told the BBC that Mr Khan had previously been threatened and didn't feel able to express himself openly at university because of the hostile attitude towards him and his views from other students.

In a confession to police that was leaked to media outlets, one of the students accused of being part of the mob said he had long accused Mr Khan and two of his friends of "anti-Islamic views".
The suspect describes being called to a meeting on the morning of the attack to discuss Mr Khan's alleged blasphemy with other students and lecturers.
What happened?

One of Mashal Khan's friends was also present at the meeting and was also accused of blasphemy.

In a statement to police he described reciting an Islamic statement of faith in front of his accusers, who then tried to force him to state that Mr Khan had committed blasphemy, but he refused.

Lecturer Ziaullah Hamdard told private Pakistani TV channel Geo News he tried to warn Mashal Khan the mob was looking for him. But they broke into his hostel and found him in his room.
Pakistani security officials survey the room of student Mashal Khan at Abdul Wali Khan University, where he was killed by a mob of his fellow students for alleged blasphemy in MardanImage copyrightEPA
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Mashal Khan's room had posters of Karl Marx and Che Guevara
A broken door at the scene of the mob attack
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Angry students searched his hostel for him and tracked him down
A Pakistani security officials surveys the Abdul Wali Khan University where student Mashal Khan was killed by a mobImage copyrightEPA

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Mashal Khan was taken by the mob and beaten, shot and killed
Mobile phone videos show Mr Khan being beaten and stamped on. According to the post mortem he was also shot. One purported eyewitness wrote on Facebook that Mr Khan protested his innocence until his death and begged to be taken to hospital.
The hostel warden told the BBC how he tried to rescue Mr Khan by picking him up after he was shot to carry him to safety. But the mob grabbed hold and continued beating him, long after he was clearly dead.
A witness told the BBC the mob tried to burn his body, but police managed to retrieve it.

What has the investigation found?
Over 20 people have been arrested, including a number of university employees. Leading figures of local branches of student political parties have also been linked to the mob attack.

Police say they are also searching for a man identified as a local councillor for Imran Khan's PTI political party. He is seen in a video, as the mob celebrates the killing, saying anyone who reveals who shot Mashal Khan is a "traitor".
Mashal Khan's friend has told police the university administration were "deadly against Mashal Khan" for openly criticising the running of the university in a recent TV interview. One suspect has suggested certain members of staff incited students against Marshal Khan.

University officials say they did everything in their power to save him and they are co-operating fully with the police inquiry.
How have the public reacted?

Blasphemy is legally punishable by death in Pakistan. People have received the death penalty but so far the state has not executed anyone. A number of people accused of blasphemy have been murdered, however.
What are Pakistan's blasphemy laws?

Pakistan tackles Facebook on blasphemy
There is often strong support for harsh punishment of blasphemers. After Mashal Khan's murder it was reported that a cleric in his village refused to lead his funeral prayers and urged others not to attend them.
However, there has been widespread support for Mashal Khan amongst the wider Pakistani public. Many have posted pictures and quotes from Mashal Khan's social media pages in solidarity with him. A number of demonstrations calling for his killers to be punished have been held across the country.

Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif attends a ceremony to inaugurate the M9 motorway between Karachi and Hyderabad, near Hyderabad Pakistan on 3 February
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Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif condemned "senseless" mob violence
Mourners at Mashal Khan's grave
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Mashal Khan's father said the government should respond so a similar tragedy does not occur again
What about the politicians?

Ever since Punjab Governor Salman Taseer was murdered by one of his bodyguards for trying to reform blasphemy laws in 2011, politicians have been reluctant to take a firm stance on the issue.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif waited two days before issuing a strongly worded statement saying he was "shocked and saddened by the senseless display of mob justice".

Opposition politician Imran Khan was one of the first to condemn the murder and subsequently visited Mashal Khan's family to pay his condolences. On allegations that some of the attackers were affiliated to his party, he said those involved should be treated "with iron hands" regardless of political affiliation. "The entire nation is united on one point that it was a murder and everyone wants the convicts to be punished severely," he said.
Commentators, though, have pointed out that recently the government has been taking a hard-line position on blasphemy. Last month the prime minister called blasphemy "an unpardonable sin", while the Federal Investigation Agency took out newspaper adverts asking the public to inform them of anyone involved in blasphemous activities online.

Leading columnist Cyril Almeida says the authorities have inflamed passions in recent weeks, writing "the state itself has said there are blasphemers hiding among you, the people; find them!".

Could the case change blasphemy laws?
There has been a greater level of sympathy for Mashal Khan than for other victims accused of blasphemy partly because the police have made it clear there is no substance to the allegations against him.
Politicians and clerics have both talked of the need to prevent false blasphemy allegations. Cleric Mufti Naeem from the influential Jamia Binoria madrassa told reporters "blasphemy law is being misused in the country".

But there is less agreement on whether blasphemy laws should actually be changed. Much of the condemnation has revolved around the mob "taking the law into their own hands". Activist Jibran Nasir told the BBC "so far rage has been directed towards calling for tough punishment of the offenders - not reform".

Since Mashal Khan's death, there has been another killing. On Thursday, police arrested three women in north-east Pakistan for killing a Shia man accused of blasphemy in 2004 by a hard-line conservative group. He had recently returned to Pakistan from overseas to fight the case.
Mashal Khan's father told the BBC that he hoped for a strong government response, to ensure no other family experiences a similar tragedy.

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Three women confess to killing man over blasphemy in Pakistan

Police say group planned each to shoot Fazal Abbas once but one woman fired single shot

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Christian villagers protest Pakistan's blasphemy laws (file photo) AFP/Getty
Three female friends confessed to killing a man for insulting Islam's Prophet Muhammad in a rare incident days after he returned from living in hiding abroad for 13 years, police have said.

A local police inspector investigating the case, Nadeem Ashraf, said the women were arrested this week for killing Fazal Abbas, aged around 50, who fled Pakistan in 2004 following accusations of blasphemy.

The incident came days after a mob in the northwestern city of Mardan lynched a university student, Mohammad Mashal Khan, over alleged blasphemy, drawing nationwide condemnation. Police detained 22 suspects following the incident.


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Mr Ashraf said the three women went to the man's home in a village near the town of Pasrur in Punjab province on Wednesday and shot him dead. He said the women wanted to fire a shot each to kill Abbas, but only one fired a single shot.

The inspector identified the women as Afshan Bibi, Razia Bibi and Amna Bibi, and reported them as saying that they would have killed Mr Abbas earlier had he not fled the country.

Mr Ashraf said Mr Abbas was being sought by police in connection with a blasphemy case dating back to 2004.

Also on Friday, a mob tried to kill a mentally disturbed man, Syed Abdul Rashid, inside a mosque after he declared that all Muslims should follow him as he has been appointed as their religious leader by God, according to local police official Asad Ullah.

Mr Ullah said initially worshippers beat Mr Rashid, but the Imam leading prayer intervened and handed the man over to the police. Mr Ullah said hundreds of people attacked the police station as the man was being questioned inside, and some officers were wounded in the clashes.

“These people attacked the police station in Chitral and started beating our officers when they refused to hand over Syed Abdul Rashid to them,” he said.

Blasphemy against Islam is punishable by death under Pakistani law, and the mere suspicion of blasphemy is enough to ignite mob violence in the Muslim-majority country.

Associated Press

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Yes even the most moderate Muslim nations have use this and the foolish herd of countrymen and women in each place will simply believe anything an Imam or even a stranger say. Look what happened in Pakistan recently and in Mauritania among other places.
Yes this is very true Ron.
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