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Old 11-08-2010, 05:24 PM
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Amen!

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well, another case, israeli women did fall in love with a german tourist, moved with her daughter to him to his location in germany, daughter is now nearly 18 and wants to go to the idf. Can she do it? She still is israeli and its her greates wish.

How she can enter idf now? Somebody know?
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Old 11-11-2010, 10:14 PM
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well, another case, israeli women did fall in love with a german tourist, moved with her daughter to him to his location in germany, daughter is now nearly 18 and wants to go to the idf. Can she do it? She still is israeli and its her greates wish.

How she can enter idf now? Somebody know?
Sol. She is an 18 year old Israeli. She is expected to serve.
Many women choose not to, but many more do serve. I assume she
has an Israeli passport. Contact the embassy and find out if it is doable.

What has to next be determined is if it is in her best interest.
I am not looking for answers for us, but for you and your daughter. How often has she been there? How fluent is she? Is she observant or not. Where would she stay when not in the army. And so on.

Legally, there is no obstacle.
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Thank you for the quick answer! I really appreciate it! All things are fine, just in need to clear the "how to".

Guess Ill need to make sone phone calls. Toda raba!

hf Sol

ps tried to IM you, but seems I cant now, Ill do when Im older here *smiles

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I have a Jewish american born friend who made aliyah almost 12 months ago. After less than one month of making aliyah he went to the recruiting office and argued for about 3 days before being allowed to fully enlist. He was 24 at this time.

I hear from Rafi and others whats impossible etc, but there is this common reality in israel in that if you kick and whine and scream and argue enough eventually someone will give you what you want...its the israeli way, everything and anything is possible if you demand it.
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Well, I'm not Israeli, so I can't and won't even attempt to answer that one, but I would like to address one thing:


"but there is this common reality in israel in that if you kick and whine and scream and argue enough eventually someone will give you what you want...its the israeli way, everything and anything is possible if you demand it.

You are young and have so much to learn about life. You know this from 3 months(I believe thats how long you stated you was in Israel)?

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Well, I'm not Israeli, so I can't and won't even attempt to answer that one, but I would like to address one thing:


"but there is this common reality in israel in that if you kick and whine and scream and argue enough eventually someone will give you what you want...its the israeli way, everything and anything is possible if you demand it.

You are young and have so much to learn about life. You know this from 3 months(I believe thats how long you stated you was in Israel)?

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I was born in america to two israeli parents. I used to visit israel in the summers and i lived there for one year when i was 13. I have grown up with israelis, and i know the israeli attitude.
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I have a Jewish american born friend who made aliyah almost 12 months ago. After less than one month of making aliyah he went to the recruiting office and argued for about 3 days before being allowed to fully enlist. He was 24 at this time.

I hear from Rafi and others whats impossible etc, but there is this common reality in israel in that if you kick and whine and scream and argue enough eventually someone will give you what you want...its the israeli way, everything and anything is possible if you demand it.
It is always refreshing to get a new view.

Let's see - After growing up in America myself, I have 35 years in the IDF, headed a unit and work worldwide with those seriously interested in serving. I'm a liason with the draft board there, fought in three wars, became an officer and last served less than six months ago.

But fortunately we have an American teenager who himself is a draft dodger and has avoided serving in Israel despite his obligation, and he knows someone who after a brief conversation has been able to prove that I am wrong.

Pini, you are embarrasing yourself. Is it possible in the history of the IDF that someone talked their way in? Of course it is possible. But it would take a child to advise someone to leave their home, move across the world with no plan and know that "anything is possible" as a plan for how to live the next few years of their life.
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It is always refreshing to get a new view.

Let's see - After growing up in America myself, I have 35 years in the IDF, headed a unit and work worldwide with those seriously interested in serving. I'm a liason with the draft board there, fought in three wars, became an officer and last served less than six months ago.

But fortunately we have an American teenager who himself is a draft dodger and has avoided serving in Israel despite his obligation, and he knows someone who after a brief conversation has been able to prove that I am wrong.

Pini, you are embarrasing yourself. Is it possible in the history of the IDF that someone talked their way in? Of course it is possible. But it would take a child to advise someone to leave their home, move across the world with no plan and know that "anything is possible" as a plan for how to live the next few years of their life.
Why am i embarrasing myself? i was just stating that i know someone who went to israel at the age of 24 and made aliyah and was able to join the IDF earlier than he expected because he kept going back to the recruiting office.

I didnt dodge anything Rafi. Other than the year i lived in israel because my parents moved there when i was 13, i am an American who loves his israeli heritage. You make it sound like i grew up in Israel left at age of 16 and have been dodging my draft which is wholly incorrect. Over the last few months i have felt this need to serve in the IDF and had i grown up in Israel i would have already. For those of us "israelis" who grew up in America the attitude we experience from our "israeli" brothers here in America is not refreshing. The only reason i wanted to serve in the IDF was to be able to protect myself and other jewish people in general. Israelis have such a tough exterior they tend to push others who care away, just like the ultra orthodox do to other less conservative jews.
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Either way i meant no disrespect Rafi.
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Help I'm very fit and getting fitter I want to be in the parashooters but my prob is that I have contacts 2.5 2.25 is that a prob please let me know
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Help I'm very fit and getting fitter I want to be in the parashooters but my prob is that I have contacts 2.5 2.25 is that a prob please let me know
no it is not
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no it is not
Really that great thx soo much
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But don't the contacts bug u if u always have them on during 'the night schedule

Also to enter wat physical abilities should I have for them to allow me into the unit
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Not related to the question, but notice, there is an edit icon. Instead of making two separate posts a minute apart, consider simply editing your minute old post by adding your new question. Also, it's paratroopers, not parashooters. I realize you're young, so I let all the "wat", "u" and "thnx" stuff go. Just saying.

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And also old, fat men who are good shots.
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As you might suspect, the physical requirements are in line with those of any paratrooper in almost any military. Israel uses lower elevation jumps, but also flies and fights at lower altitudes. It should be simple for you to look at what is required to get into any of these units. We do not share exact specifications for the IDF here.

As always, note the caveat: The IDF speaks one language only - hebrew. If you cannot speak hebrew you automatically become the best person on any base you are at to pick up large objects, move them somewhere else and put them down - for 3 years. You can't give orders in a language you don't speak, and if you ever want to be something other than a buck private (tor- eye- ee) than you also need to be able to read orders.

The amount of hebrew you pick up from now until you get into uniform is invariably an indicator of the type of service experience you are going to have.
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Lightbulb North American Volunteers in the Israeli Army

Israel Defense Forces:
North American Volunteers in the Israeli Army
by Ralph Lowenstein


IDF: Table of Contents | History & Overview | Yom Hazikaron

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...sraelArmy.html


Americans and Canadians served in virtually every unit of the Israeli army. Some had been students at the Hebrew University before the outbreak of hostilities, and quickly volunteered for the armed forces. Others were recruited in the U.S. and Canada by Land and Labor for Palestine. A few were students in Europe on the G.I. Bill of Rights when they sought out Israeli authorities and volunteered for service.

There were perhaps fewer than 500 Americans and Canadians in the Israeli army (not including a similar number that served in the air force and a handful in Israel's small navy). The army numbered about 30,000 persons on May 15, 1948, and approached three times that figure by the conclusion of the war in March 1949. So the American and Canadian numbers were not great.

However, since most were veterans of the U.S. or Canadian armies, with combat experience in World War II, they provided military expertise that, in many cases, the Israelis lacked or possessed in small numbers. Some brought this expertise to armor, artillery, medicine, nursing and vehicular maintenance and repair. A military specialty such as driving, which would have been common in the U.S. or Canada, was greatly needed in Israel, since few Palestinian Jews had cars and virtually none of the survivors of the death camps in Europe, now pouring into Israeli ranks, had ever been behind the steering wheel of a vehicle.

Just getting to Israel, halfway around the world from the Northern Hemisphere, was an ordeal for most volunteers. It consisted of being sent by plane and ship, clandestinely, to France or Italy - with the threat from the State Department that, at best, military volunteers would be in violation of passport regulations, and, at worst, could lose their citizenship. Once abroad, the volunteers' passports were exchanged for Displaced Persons' papers. With these assumed names, the Americans and Canadians were melded into the populations of Holocaust survivors living temporarily in run-down estates in Marseilles or port cities of Italy until transport to Israel arrived.

The final journey to Israel by ship was the most difficult ordeal of the journey. The ships were overcrowded; sanitation and food was inadequate; safety devices aboard ship were non-existent. In many cases, the Americans and Canadians became part of the ships' crews enroute to Israel. The trips were made during the hottest days of summer. Some of the smaller ships took ten days or more (in what would normally be a two or three-day sea journey) just to traverse the Mediterranean Sea to Haifa.

At Haifa, United Nations observers were usually waiting at dockside to assure that only bona fide displaced persons embarked from the ships - this, while Arab armies were streaming across the borders of Israel from the north, east and south. The volunteers had to pass this test with Yiddish learned from their immigrant parents. Those without that ability, were smuggled into the country.

Once in Israel, most of the volunteers for the ground and sea forces were taken by bus to Tel Letvinsky, a former British army base outside Tel Aviv (the site of the present Tel Hashomer Hospital), where uniforms - or, more precisely, pieces of uniforms - were distributed, and rudimentary Hebrew lessons begun. At the same time, they were subject to a "shaping up" process: officers from combat and service units would travel to Tel Letvinsky to see which new recruits filled specific needs of the unit. Some of the volunteers were assigned to units and went into combat within a few days of arriving in the country.

The weapons of the Israeli army were nothing like the weapons the Americans were used to. The greatest number of rifles and machineguns were of German design, having been purchased from Czechoslovakia. Sten guns, a simple sub-machine gun, were made in Israel, as were the armored cars used by the few armored units. There was no artillery and no tanks, except for two British Cromwells transferred to the army by British defectors and one Sherman welded together from scrap. The only familiar vehicle, other than jeeps, was American halftracks, purchased as salvage in European depots. Lionel Drucker, a Canadian, provided the Israeli army with its first instruction in tank maintentance and tactics.

Although Americans and Canadians were assigned to virtually every Israeli unit, a large number ended up in the two battalions - one infantry and one armored - of the 7th Brigade. The 7th was the newest brigade in the Israeli army, and had been decimated in the failed attack on the Latrun fortress blocking the road to Jerusalem. Thus, at the time when most Americans and Canadians arrived in Israel, around mid-summer of 1948, the 7th had the greatest need for fresh bodies.

One of the first Americans to join the fight for Israeli independence was Mickey Marcus, a West Point graduate, a World War II combat colonel and a former New York City police commissioner. He wrote Israel's first field manual, and helped the fledgling army with logistics. He probably would have become one of the highest ranking Israeli field commanders had he not been killed, tragically, by one of his own sentries during the campaign to open a new road to surround Jerusalem.

The highest ranking North American in the army following Marcus's death was a Canadian, Ben Dunkelman, who became commanding officer of the 7th Brigade. Dunkelman had had a distinguished career as a combat officer in the Canadian army in Europe during World War II. The 7th Brigade, with its large component of Americans and Canadians in the 72nd Battlion (infantry) and 79th Battalion (armor) spearheaded the campaign that cleared the northern Galilee of Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis and the Palestine Liberation Army in late October, 1948.

Some American and Canadian volunteers remained in Israel following the signing of the various armistices in March 1949. But the overwhelming number returned to their homes and families in the United States and Canada.

Five volunteers from Canada and 17 volunteers from the United States died in army combat. They were among the 40 Americans and Canadians killed while serving in Aliyah Bet and all branches of the Israeli military during the War of Independence.

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