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How safe are Pakistan’s nuclear assets
By Shahid R. Siddiqi
Sunday, 14 Feb, 2010 | 01:00 AM PST |

INDIA’S explosion of its nuclear device in 1974 drew only a customary “show of concern” from the western powers. But Pakistan’s nuclear programmeme, initiated in response to the Indian acquisition of nuclear weapons, evoked immediate and “serious concern” from the same quarters. Ever since, Pakistan has been under immense pressure to scrap its programm while the Indians remain uncensored.

That western attitude was discriminatory can also be seen by the religious colour it gave to Pakistan’s bomb by calling it an ‘Islamic bomb’. One has never heard of the Israeli bomb being called a ‘Jewish Bomb’, or the Indian bomb a ‘Hindu Bomb’, or the American and British bomb a ‘Christian Bomb’ or the Soviet bomb a ‘Communist’ (or an ‘Atheist) Bomb’. The West simply used Pakistan’s bomb to make Islam synonymous with aggression and make its nuclear programme a legitimate target, knowing full well that it merely served a defensive purpose and was not even remotely associated with Islam.

With India going nuclear soon after playing a crucial role in dismembering Pakistan in 1971 and enjoying an overwhelming conventional military superiority over Pakistan in the ratio of 4:1, a resource strapped Pakistan was pushed to the wall. Left with no other choice but to develop a nuclear deterrent to ward off future Indian threats, Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto declared: “Pakistanis will eat grass but make a nuclear bomb”. And sure enough, they did it. Soon, however, both he and the nuclear programme were to become non-grata. Amid intense pressure, sanctions and vilification campaign, Henry Kissinger personally delivered to a defiant Bhutto the American threat: “give up your nuclear programme or else we will make a horrible example of you’.

And a horrible example was made of Bhutto for his defiance. But he had enabled Pakistan to become the 7th nuclear power in the world. This served Pakistan well. India was kept at bay despite temptations for military adventurism. Although there has never been real peace in South Asia, at least there has been no war since 1971.

Ignoring its security perspective, Pakistan’s western ‘friends’ refused to admit it to their exclusive nuclear club, though expediency made them ignore its ‘crime’ when it suited their purpose. But driven by identical geo-strategic interests in their respective regions and seeing Pakistan as an obstacle to their designs, Israel and India missed no opportunity to malign or subvert Pakistan’s programme.

Due to its defiance of Indian diktat, Pakistan is for India an obstruction in its quest for domination of South Asia and the Indian Ocean region. Israel’s apprehension of Pakistan’s military prowess is rooted in the strength Pakistan indirectly provides to Arab states with whom Israel has remained in a state of conflict. Conscious that several Arab states look up to Pakistan for military support in the event of threat to their security from Israel, it is unsettling for Israel to see a nuclear armed Pakistan.

Israel can also not overlook the fact that Pakistan’s military is a match to its own. The PAF pilots surprised Israeli Air Force, when flying mostly Russian aircraft they shot down several relatively superior Israeli aircraft in air combat in the 1973 Arab-Israel war, shattering the invincibility myth of Israeli pilots who believed themselves to be too superior in skill and technology. The Pakistanis happened to be assigned to Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi air forces on training missions when the war broke out and, unknown to the Israelis then, they incognito undertook combat missions.

After successfully destroying Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981, Israelis planned a similar attack on Pakistan’s nuclear facilities at Kahuta in collusion with India in the 1980s. Using satellite pictures and intelligence information, Israel reportedly built a full-scale mock-up of Kahuta facility in the Negev Desert where pilots of F-16 and F-15 squadrons practised mock attacks.

According to ‘The Asian Age’, journalists Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark stated in their book ‘Deception: Pakistan, the US and the Global Weapons Conspiracy’, that Israeli Air Force was to launch an air attack on Kahuta in mid-1980s from Jamnagar airfield in Gujarat (India). The book claims that “in March 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi signed off (on) the Israeli-led operation bringing India, Pakistan and Israel to within a hair’s breadth of a nuclear conflagration”.

Another report claims that Israel also planned an air strike directly out of Israel. After midway and midair refueling, Israeli warplanes planned to shoot down a commercial airline’s flight over Indian Ocean that flew into Islamabad early morning, fly in a tight formation to appear as one large aircraft on radar screens preventing detection, use the drowned airliner’s call sign to enter Islamabad’s air space, knock out Kahuta and fly out to Jammu to refuel and exit.

According to reliable reports in mid-1980s this mission was actually launched one night. But the Israelis were in for a big surprise. They discovered that Pakistan Air Force had already sounded an alert and had taken to the skies in anticipation of this attack. The mission had to be hurriedly aborted.

Pakistan reminded the Israelis that Pakistan was no Iraq and that PAF was no Iraqi Air Force. Pakistan is reported to have conveyed that an attack on Kahuta would force Pakistan to lay waste to Dimona, Israel’s nuclear reactor in the Negev Desert. India was also warned that Islamabad would attack Trombay if Kahuta facilities were hit.

The above quoted book claims that “Prime Minister Indira Gandhi eventually aborted the operation despite protests from military planners in New Delhi and Jerusalem.”

McNair’s paper #41 published by USAF Air University (India Thwarts Israeli Destruction of Pakistan's "Islamic Bomb") also confirmed this plan. It said, “Israeli interest in destroying Pakistan’s Kahuta reactor to scuttle the "Islamic bomb" was blocked by India's refusal to grant landing and refueling rights to Israeli warplanes in 1982.” Clearly India wanted to see Kahuta gone but did not want to face retaliation at the hands of the PAF. Israel, on its part wanted this to be a joint Indo-Israeli strike to avoid being solely held responsible.

The Reagan administration also hesitated to support the plan because Pakistan’s distraction at that juncture would have hurt American interests in Afghanistan, when Pakistan was steering the Afghan resistance against the Soviets.

Although plans to hit Kahuta were shelved, the diatribe against Pakistan’s nuclear programme continued unabated. Israel used its control over the American political establishment and western media to create hysteria. India worked extensively to promote paranoia, branding Pakistan’s programme as unsafe, insecure and a threat to peace. The fact is otherwise. It is technically sounder, safer and more secure than that of India and has ensured absence of war in the region.

The US invasion of Afghanistan provided another opening for Indo-Israeli nexus to target Pakistan’s strategic assets. This time the strategy was to present Pakistan as an unstable state, incapable of defending itself against religious extremist insurgents, creating the spectre of Islamabad and its nuclear assets falling in their hands. Suggestions are being floated that Pakistan being at risk of succumbing to extremists, its nuclear assets should be disabled, seized or forcibly taken out by the US. Alternatively, an international agency should take them over for safe keeping.

Pakistan has determinedly thwarted the terrorist threat and foiled this grand conspiracy. Pakistan has made it clear that it would act decisively against any attempt by any quarter to harm its nuclear assets. But if the game is taken to the next level, the consequences would be disastrous for the region.

The Indo-Israeli nexus is losing initiative. But as long as the American umbrella is available Afghanistan will remain a playground for mischief mongers. It is now up to the US to walk its talk and prove its claim that it wants to see a secure and stable Pakistan. It must pull the plug on conspiracies to destabilize Pakistan.

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Pakistan has its hands full trying to handle the Islamic fanatics within its own borders. I suggest Pakistan first control them before they start making such claims as above. Perhaps they should try bringing all their own country under Pakistan national control which to date they have failed to do. Also Pakistan should not forget the small matter of India on their doorstep also.
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You have to be kidding me. Can anyone really take this line of fantasy seriously? Israel had neither the means nor the motivation to stage an attack on Pakistani sites during the 1980s. It was simply too far away to directly concern them.
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"Islamic bomb" was a term concotted by the Pakis themselves, they never tire of beating their chests about being the only nuclear power in Moslem world either.

The above, its called Operation Blue Tulsi, a supposedly join Indo-Israeli operation to take out Paki nukes that never materialised due to PAF's constant vigil

Your article, which does in fact include PAF's supposed aerial victories over Israel, has about as much credibility as Paki articles regarding the same.
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Guys you have every Right to disagree with what i have posted but the reason i have posted this article is that i have confirmed this from PAF Pilots who Flew Missions during Both Attempts Israel Did to Struck Kahuta.

Pakistan did not play any important role in Stoping India from leting Israel Attack Kahuta but we made China do it.

Pakistan Has pulled out of Indian supported Terrorism and now FATA is Under Pakistani control.

South Waziristan is now the next target and we will do an operation soon , In fact Pakistan Needed some Equipment which is being provided by USA in shape of 32 new F-16 Block 52+ , Shadow Drones and some other equipment for SSG operations.

We are Not worried about Israel neither India & our focus is to Build our Nation and economy , as Indians know about who we are and what we can do .

I could have posted more information upon this topic but as for now the ISI has blocked access to all database related to this Topic and it is classified .

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Growler, you failed to answer my questions. Are you unable or just unwilling to do so?
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After successfully destroying Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981, Israelis planned a similar attack on Pakistan’s nuclear facilities at Kahuta in collusion with India in the 1980s. Using satellite pictures and intelligence information, Israel reportedly built a full-scale mock-up of Kahuta facility in the Negev Desert where pilots of F-16 and F-15 squadrons practised mock attacks.
(emphasis mine)

Huh ? Israel did not launch its first satellite until 1988, and not until 1995 (Offeq 3) did Israel have an operational spy satellite.

Besides, I totally agree with Haamimhagolan--this is just absurd. If Israel had the ability to destroy Pakistan's enrichment facilities back in the mid 80s, then doing the same to Iran now should be child's play. Well, it isn't.

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It is now up to the US to walk its talk and prove its claim that it wants to see a secure and stable Pakistan. It must pull the plug on conspiracies to destabilize Pakistan.
No one wants Pakistan destabilized. No one wants 80 nuclear weapons to fall into terrorist hands. Besides, Pakistan's instability comes from inside, not from the US, Israel, or India.

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We are Not worried about Israel neither India & our focus is to Build our Nation and economy , as Indians know about who we are and what we can do .
(emphasis mine).

This sounds a bit inconsistent with the previous quote about "eating grass".
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What crap. It is muslims who make Islam synonymous with agression. Wherever muslims mix with "others" that is where most of the terrorism happens. How many Jewish, Christian, Hindu, or Bhuddist homicide bombers have you heard of??? Whereas, the muslims clothe them in white, parade them as weapons, & dress their children in suicide vests. You guys need your own planet. I would suggest Mercury. Roadapples.
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Guys you have every Right to disagree with what i have posted but the reason i have posted this article is that i have confirmed this from PAF Pilots who Flew Missions during Both Attempts Israel Did to Struck Kahuta.
Iv read the original McNair paper based on which these articles first started to appear, been seeing them from ages.

Not reliable at all, classified sources, "high officials" etc. sort of baloney, no concrete facts, no names, whole thing is a will-o'-the-wisp.

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Pakistan did not play any important role in Stoping India from leting Israel Attack Kahuta but we made China do it.
I am certain this is also from your personal conversations with PAF pilots and cannot be substantiated?

What do you think China could have done if this hypothetical nuke strike was allowed to proceed by India?

Get this, China is willing to let Pakistan bleed against India for China, but it is not willing to bleed for Pakistan against India, Kargil proves it.

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Pakistan Has pulled out of Indian supported Terrorism and now FATA is Under Pakistani control.
Pakistan doesnt even admit to fostering terrorism you are contradicting your own state's line.

As for FATA, are you saying the kidnapping of miniorities being attributed to Taliban there are actually occuring under Paki control?

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South Waziristan is now the next target and we will do an operation soon , In fact Pakistan Needed some Equipment which is being provided by USA in shape of 32 new F-16 Block 52+ , Shadow Drones and some other equipment for SSG operations.
Sure, more F-16 Block 52s are just what are needed for COIN Do you think we are idiots here?

Lack of willingness, not equipment is the problem, who the equipment are for use against is anyone's guess.

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Then I wonder why every couple of days another Paki drops by to proclaim their martial prowess over Israel and India.

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Well right now lad, you are the laughing stock of the world

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and what we can do .
Not only Indians but the whole world which has borne the brunt of Pak sponsored terrorism knows what you are capable of. The objective hopefully, will be to nullify this capability.

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I could have posted more information upon this topic but as for now the ISI has blocked access to all database related to this Topic and it is classified .

Regards:
In other words, you have nothing to back up your assertions since no one apart from ISI has information attributable to this incident, not even the hawkish liberal lefty media which siezes every opportunity to slander Israel.

Have a nice day Growler, can't be buggered wasting any more effort on you.
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Growler, you failed to answer my questions. Are you unable or just unwilling to do so?
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Pakis cannot digest the fact that the rest of the world, in fact, doesn't give a **** about them beyond the fact that we wish them to stop sponsoring terrorist activities and abetting jehad against others.

They are unwilling to realise that the shyte-creek they have ended up in is of their own doing and hence, they must gloat over destroying IAF planes, defending Pak from Jews, fighting against America, CIA-Mossad-RAW conspiracies, India's destabilising Pak etc. to make it appear as if they are not a failing state due to their own inadequacy but due to the proactive efforts of evil Jews, Hindus and Christians.
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In my expirience, I would agree with golan, this "mission" would be a suicide. Israel values her people too much. Maybe the suicide mentallity is what provides logic to believe this nonesense. Normal individuals would never accept the idea. I wonder if there can ever be a cure for Pakistan. Is KSA feeding this mental illness?

There was mention of Pakistanis in service of gulf nations on similar thread. This is true. I think because the pakistanis are so gulable. Tell them the world is after Kaba and they will serve without question. The Shieks are not stupid.
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This is just operation babylon rehashed to suit some anti semitic jargon for the pakistani people to digest.
pure fantasy like the other threads that pop up about pakistan and thier "superiority"
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We are doing the best we could to stop Indian Fed Terrorism in Pakistan.
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In my expirience, I would agree with golan, this "mission" would be a suicide. Israel values her people too much. Maybe the suicide mentallity is what provides logic to believe this nonesense. Normal individuals would never accept the idea. I wonder if there can ever be a cure for Pakistan. Is KSA feeding this mental illness?

There was mention of Pakistanis in service of gulf nations on similar thread. This is true. I think because the pakistanis are so gulable. Tell them the world is after Kaba and they will serve without question. The Shieks are not stupid.

That is true and keep it in your Mind always .

Pakistan will go to any Limit to Protect our common holy sites & it has nothing to do with Arabs or their Permission , we will act when we think we should . ( ! )
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Huh ? Israel did not launch its first satellite until 1988, and not until 1995 (Offeq 3) did Israel have an operational spy satellite.

Besides, I totally agree with Haamimhagolan--this is just absurd. If Israel had the ability to destroy Pakistan's enrichment facilities back in the mid 80s, then doing the same to Iran now should be child's play. Well, it isn't.

No one wants Pakistan destabilized. No one wants 80 nuclear weapons to fall into terrorist hands. Besides, Pakistan's instability comes from inside, not from the US, Israel, or India.


(emphasis mine).

This sounds a bit inconsistent with the previous quote about "eating grass".

You need to be aware of the internal situations in Pakistan , if you are not its easy to disinform an individual.

We will Cap our Nuclear program after a production of 300-350 warheads though the Advancements will occur.

We are about to reach this Goal and the next focus is to aquire Multiple warhead ICBM's and defense systems as well as Electricity generation from Nuclear reactors.

As for on the topic: Not a SINGLE Israeli will accept it and i knew it , because it does not make any sense for you guys to accept but its a Fact and my sources are not Limited.

Pakistan does not seek any hostility with anyone but if someone tries to do something to our nation than every thing is possible & every limit would be broken.
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Pakistan does not seek any hostility with anyone but if someone tries to do something to our nation than every thing is possible & every limit would be broken.
Pakistan prides itself in sending its military to help the arabs destroy Israel.
Tell me Growler how many times did Israel attack Pakistan?

The answer is never.
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That western attitude was discriminatory can also be seen by the religious colour it gave to Pakistan’s bomb by calling it an ‘Islamic bomb’. One has never heard of the Israeli bomb being called a ‘Jewish Bomb’, or the Indian bomb a ‘Hindu Bomb’, or the American and British bomb a ‘Christian Bomb’ or the Soviet bomb a ‘Communist’ (or an ‘Atheist) Bomb’. The West simply used Pakistan’s bomb to make Islam synonymous with aggression and make its nuclear programme a legitimate target, knowing full well that it merely served a defensive purpose and was not even remotely associated with Islam.


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This is typical of some muslims, wanting to accuse the west and non muslims of intolerance, when it is them who are intolerant!

First off: The Name "Islamic Bomb" was given by the Pakistanis themselves!

Yes the Christians, Jews, Hindus and others, never called their nuclear bombs by the religion of the makers of the bombs, but the Pakistanis did call it by that!

Read this folks: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...920461,00.html

Read the part (3rd paragraph) where former late Pakistani Prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the father of the late Benazir Bhutto said:

The late Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, who was then Pakistan's Prime Minister, warned that "we will eat leaves and grass, even go hungry" to build the country's own weapon. "There's a Hindu bomb, a Jewish bomb and a Christian bomb," Bhutto once wrote. "There must be an Islamic bomb."

So who was calling it, in terms of religion? The West or Pakistan?


Islamic Bomb was the name muslim Pakistan gave to their own Nuclear Bomb.

Islam-a-bad was the name in 1960, Pakistan gave to an area in Rawalpindi, that Pakistan wanted to become the capital of Pakistan.

Islamic-Jihad is the name, given by a terrorist group to themselves, who attack Israel on a regular basis.

It is the muslims themselves who involve the name of Islam everywhere, but God Forbid a westerner or non muslim place Islam with the word Bomb, Islam with the word Jihad, or Islam with the word Bad, oh no thats a no no, its Islamo-phobia, or Islamo-intolerant, but if muslims do it, its fine.


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This sounds a bit inconsistent with the previous quote about "eating grass".
The part about eating grass, that Browler had "quoted" if you see my post to him, Growler was twisting facts around to suit his purpose, the eating grass statement was precisely where PM Bhutto (father) had accused other countries nuclear bombs of being religious based, and yet Growler twisted it around and put the blame on the west. People like Growler are demon like, they are here to twist, and confuse everyone!
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Growler was here as a wolf in sheeps clothing as he refused to be honest about who he was and why he was here. In the end he revealed his true nature.
Indeed they always end up "revealing" themselves at the end. Thats why we have to have fine dogs and hounds to keep the sheep safe.
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